Exodus - Bonded by Blood

wom · Post by **wom** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 5:18 pm

Ok, i have seen at least two Combat versions of this one.

Pictures have been posted here i think where matrix reads 88561-8019-2 MT 1A1 ++

But, from a current ebay auction ...is this legit? (Matrix reads 8561-8019-2 and that ++ sign)

sovdat · Post by **sovdat** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 6:21 pm

Here's the scan of mine it that helps you. The matrix has the '+' sign but only 1, not two. I compared the matrix to my Darkness Descends CD and it's the same, that one has a single '+' too.

Avenger · Post by **Avenger** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 6:57 pm

My copy also has 2x "+".

gauze · Post by **gauze** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:29 pm

mine sounds like the Ebay one, I bought it in 1987 or so, definitely not a bootleg.

full matrix is: "88561-8019-2 *cross thing here*" with no additional markings in the matrix

sovdat · Post by **sovdat** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 3:31 am

Did you check if your "MT 1A1 ++" version is maybe the US press, not Japanese?

Avenger · Post by **Avenger** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 9:44 am

sovdat wrote:Did you check if your "MT 1A1 ++" version is maybe the US press, not Japanese?

It says "Made In Japan" at the bottom of the disc.

And I believe that the "US press" came later on.

Very few CD's pre-1986 were manufactured outside of Japan and Germany.

sovdat · Post by **sovdat** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:28 pm

Avenger wrote:
sovdat wrote:Did you check if your "MT 1A1 ++" version is maybe the US press, not Japanese?
It says "Made In Japan" at the bottom of the disc.

And I believe that the "US press" came later on.

Very few CD's pre-1986 were manufactured outside of Japan and Germany.

Not only BBB, Darkness Descends and Killing is My Business too for example were originally made in Japan for US market, and the versions made in the USA followed some time after that.

oldskoolcollector · Post by **oldskoolcollector** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:32 pm

sovdat wrote:Here's the scan of mine it that helps you. The matrix has the '+' sign but only 1, not two. I compared the matrix to my Darkness Descends CD and it's the same, that one has a single '+' too.

I have exactly the same, also with one '+'.

I think it is the first pressing. Bought it in a old collection thrash metal CD's.

wom · Post by **wom** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 3:59 pm

first of all i ve decided that my camera sucks and i need to buy one like sovdat's

here's another copy same matrix 88561-8019-2 with one cross thingie ... lettering has pressed with different alignment though, matrix is right below "Bonded by blood"

Plus , sovdat is correct about the Dark Angel cd

sovdat · Post by **sovdat** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 4:14 pm

I don't take photos of my CDs, I scan them

It doesn't really matter where is the matrix, each CD has it on a different position ...

Here's one example:

wom · Post by **wom** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 4:17 pm

i can understand that because the lettering is printed on the disc after it has been manufactured or maybe i dont know what im talking about

Avenger · Post by **Avenger** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 8:34 am

So anyone come to any sort of conclusion on this?

big mouth · Post by **big mouth** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 5:54 am

Mine says 88561-8019- (V) :.

Kinda strange..made in USA..and It doesn't look like a bootleg....

perishinflames · Post by **perishinflames** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 2:48 am

big mouth wrote:Mine says 88561-8019- (V) :.

Kinda strange..made in USA..and It doesn't look like a bootleg....

It's not. I've owned both US and Japan pressings, the US copy is your typical late 80s Nimbus release, with the same matrix and slightly tacky lacquer layer on the label side (you know, the kind it's impossible to get fingerprints off of, annoying as hell). I think my Japanese had two plus signs, perhaps these designate 1st and 2nd pressings? Just a guess. But anyways the US pressing is definitely legit, probably from 87-88 before they changed the cover.

sovdat · Post by **sovdat** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 4:02 am

There was also another US press on Combat with exactly the same barcode as the one with the red cover, but with original one, from 1989.

http://www.musik-sammler.de/media/221404

And this is the original US press, yeah I also assume that it must be from cca 87-88:

http://www.musik-sammler.de/media/255136

One thing - when were Megadeth forced to ban These Boots off their debut album? Because my version was made in the US, but it still comes with 8 tracks (and I also owned the US Combat press w/ 7 tracks).