ION BRITTON wrote: The difference is indeed huge but mostly on a theoretical level. The ending result is not that different.
Excuse, but from my point of view if we separate intention from action, history is meaningless. I'm not telling you not to do this, but it just isn't conductive to anything meaningful for me from that point and onwards. Once communists become like nazis and both like Attila the Hun because everybody had their fair share of atrocity, we can close the history book and remain quiet there and on.
Many people may say 'beautiful' and attractive things when they talk, but when it comes to practice all collapse.
That may or may not be so, it's not the point of discussion, as Mein Kampf are a heavy metal band of entertainers who have never I bet mistreated a jew in their life.
For me the things one does are of greater importance. I'm not equalizing facts and circumstances here of course, but sadly what's done is done, history can't change whether we want it or not.
Acts are of the outmost importance for me too, but that's a very generalized statement that I do not see how it has to do with the matter at hand.
Well, it's depends sometimes on the point of view you're at to decide whether the band makes art or history.
No band makes history to be frank.
Art can be sometimes extreme you know, reflecting a darker side of human nature. You're not obliged to like it of course, but sometimes art can move into dimensions one doesn't like or agree at all. It still remains art though.
Never tried to strip it of its artistic credentials. It's on the level of ignorance and stupidity that I find offense. I listen to a lot of 'dark side of humanity' music, and I have no problem with it because it treats its subject matter maturely and with crystallized intent. Not just the guts of christ on the cover.
Btw, i have never learned history in a strict sense while i was listening to music.
In a strict sense neither have I. I have learnt a lot about humanity though.
That wasn't my point as i was hypothetically speaking again, but you can always interpret the facts whatever place or year they occured. Circumstances may differ indeed, the essence may not.
In essense the human situation is constant, yes, struggle for power and desire. Life feeding on life. However I am not in the woods... alone and alive ...the God-Beast (no matter how many times us metalheads like to delude ourselves that we are), I am a civilized human being and I pay attention when Nazis kill million of human beings on the pretense of the superman. I remember what the crooked cross stands for and I will not endorse music that trivializes human suffering. Pretty clear.
Why not?
I find nihilism very boring philosophically, and uninspiring artistically.
I find it a bit contradictive this one here. You don't have a problem with them just because they don't talk about it in their music? OK, you don't want to spend your money and support them but will you still listen to them even if you know about their believes and maybe their practices as well in real life?
Yes I would and I would engage in discussion with them because discussion is not art (in the strict sense, at least. It certainly is creative) and it always is conductive for better things for our minds. Endorsing awful art bent on horrid premises however can only result in the poisoning of your aestheses. I'd rather not.
That's not exactly what you said in your previous post. 'Lack of taste' as far as your own taste is concerned. This can't go for all the people.
I never wanted it to go for anyone else but myself. It's my personal call to not listen to 'Mein Kampf'. I will discuss why with anyone that wants to talk about it, but I am not forcing my beliefs on them.
To sum it up: I believe you spend too much time and energy on reading/explaining/interpreting the lyrics of each band. It's your choice, i'm not asking you NOT to do it if you feel fine, but that really shouldn't be the rule for everyone else.
Why did you feel I want this to be a rule for anyone else but myself?
If i listened only to the bands i agreed with them on the lyric department, that would result in hearing ultimately 20-30 bands at best.
Not so much as pure agreement, but respect and understand where they're coming from. There's about 10 bands I agree with lyrically pretty much totally as well. But I listen to more, because they don't offend me with ignorance, hate or bigotry. I draw the line there. No nazi shit. It's a karmic thing.
And you can find good music in more than 20-30 bands, that's one thing i can tell for sure.
For me music isn't just the notes. It's a complete aesthetic from lyric to band logo to photo to cover to interviews.
My apologies to anyone who feels that this discussion doesn't belong here.
I certainly don't mind. You're very lucid and pleasant to converse with.
Most pre-fall Soviet metal I've heard wasn't exactly exalting the deeds of the Stalin regime. Furthermore there's a huge difference between a political system that falls into corruption and ends in atrocity (communism) and one where atrocity is indeed the prime function, celebration and point of it (nazism).
Anyway, add this band to all the other extreme right wing bands we've already mentioned.