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Of course, it aint the ''hardest'' thrash you'll ever find, there were surely more savage recordings before and after FTF's release, but i'm of the opinion that you can't call it pure Power metal either. I think it lies somewhere in the middle of those two sub-genres, leaning more towards the ''power'' side

It'(s cbeen two decades now that people label thrash everything that gets an up tempo tune which is ridiculous because there's a sdifference between fast metal and Thrash Metal.
As for OVERKILL, they were a Power Metal band, even the band would describe it as Power Metal back then (blood metal too) but then they saw that it would be cooler to get it called Thrash because the big publications, reviewers of my ass were associating them with Thrash.... but NOBODY back in '84 would call them Thrash, nobody would associate 'em with SLAYER or EXODUS.

big mouth wrote:

Of course, it aint the ''hardest'' thrash you'll ever find, there were surely more savage recordings before and after FTF's release, but i'm of the opinion that you can't call it pure Power metal either. I think it lies somewhere in the middle of those two sub-genres, leaning more towards the ''power'' side

It'(s cbeen two decades now that people label thrash everything that gets an up tempo tune which is ridiculous because there's a sdifference between fast metal and Thrash Metal.

Truth is that there aren't any incredibly fast tunes in FTF, "Kill'em all" is much faster as a whole, but i'll agree with you, having up tempo songs doesn't necessarily mean you're thrash. But i do believe that there's plenty of riffing in FTF that has a strong thrashy edge without being thrash to the core. It is certainly not an album that i would call 100% pure power metal.

"Truth is that there aren't any incredibly fast tunes in FTF, "Kill'em all" is much faster as a whole, but i'll agree with you, having up tempo songs doesn't necessarily mean you're thrash. But i do believe that there's plenty of riffing in FTF that has a strong thrashy edge without being thrash to the core. It is certainly not an album that i would call 100% pure power metal."

TYhat's correct, it's verging on Thrash but it's not Thrash (and the vocals would definitively not fit Thrash)...juqst on the border... while METALLOICA were just fast Metal but OVERKILL had a harder sound somehow than METALLICA....

big mouth wrote: while METALLICA were just fast Metal but OVERKILL had a harder sound somehow than METALLICA....

Exactly. Also Hetfield didn't sound not even half as mean and evil as Blitz did.


Ride high ride tall
Overkill will never fall
Full moon sharp sword
Satan is your Lord...

You know that's a huge subject.... it would require old publications, records, people who were involvbed in the scene in the first hour etc to finally revise the strory and tell it the way it origionally was before some ignorant fucks started (and managed) to fuck it over and let people believe this and that when it's wrong....
I mean everybody label METALLICA as Thrash, the shitty big four, for example when they never played a single note of Thrash, but those four fucks let peoplke in the end the story go WHEN ORIGINALLY they were blatantly stating how shitty bands like SLAYER and co were because they were playing fast but as usual people either forget real fast or are simply ignorant of nothing BUT FACTS.;;that's why I did on purpose to ask to the OVERKILL drummer about tyheir false association with Thrash...his answer said it all.... he was kinda embarassed with it.

actually you hit the nail right on the head with tyrants regin , heard year of the tyrant , had feel the fire written all over it , however ,the vocals are diffrent , but still , very cool


about ftf being thrash or power .... Of course it is thrash ... it has all the thrash elements .... and actually when overkill started , they didn't call it neither power or thrash metal , they called it "death metal"

"Emotion and fire!!, you never tire
Running a death metal race"

Death Metal...haha!!!!! in fact Black Metal if I recall correctly! Way before VENOM or SLAYEr appeared!

big mouth wrote:Death Metal...haha!!!!! in fact Black Metal if I recall correctly! Way before VENOM or SLAYEr appeared!

I play the Witchfynde trump.

You have to categorize bands/albums by what's been defined by today’s sub-genre standards.

Running Wild was originally branded as "Black Metal" circa "Gates To Purgatory" but by today’s standards that's just ridiculous…

"Feel The Fire" is a Power Metal album.

If you compare this to Exodus' "Bonded By Blood" released the same damn year it's night and day.

It's the same deal with the first Anthrax and Metallica albums. These aren't Thrash albums; they are Speed Metal or even "Proto-Thrash" if you will. Thrash was relativity non-existent in '83/'84.


Regarding the actual topic at hand, if you are looking for early Overkill clones, you'll probably have better luck searching through punk bands, as it's fairly obvious that Overkill's early material was heavily punk influenced and the band, (although debatable) even began as a punk outfit.

Ah, I think I'm getting old...

From now on I shall speak the language of the future only (all futures even) - to avoid ever being misunderstood:

Early Metallica - Dagge-dagge
Exodus - Chunka-chunka omph!
Overkill - Traditional Rock

Oh look, it's pandora's box.

Some Feel the fire-ish riffing here, listen:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=XJ4CFRFQ