Insane ebay auctions - CD

perishinflames · Post by **perishinflames** » Mon May 31, 2010 4:39 pm

Helstar wrote:Is it normal 160$ for first two Sacrifice on Fringe ?

No way. Ebay seller Recped often offers sealed copies for $60, I have seen used ones go less than that.

Metal Blade is the 1st press of Forward anyway, the Fringe CDs were released in 1990. Also the Fringe press of Torment has some strange scratches / distortions in the audio, the vinyl is better sounding imo.

Helstar · Post by **Helstar** » Mon May 31, 2010 5:59 pm

perishinflames wrote: Metal Blade is the 1st press of Forward anyway, the Fringe CDs were released in 1990. Also the Fringe press of Torment has some strange scratches / distortions in the audio, the vinyl is better sounding imo.

Oh there is an error in musik sammler entry then ! Sometimes I give to this site too much credit ^^ errors from contributors are really common.

I don't remember these problems on "Torment..." Fringe version ... I'll listen to it again but I trust you, pity they didn't do a good mastering then.

necrovomit74 · Post by **necrovomit74** » Mon May 31, 2010 6:33 pm

pan_Heathen wrote:I wouldn't be so sure he - or anyone else who does not have direct knowledge about this specific counterfeit - would recognize a boot, as we both know how good the bootlegand its matrix is. I am only sure he honestly believed it is original. maybe the price was lower than expected because people asked him about the "Proibitet" part and there was an error.

Target bootleg is the best examined bootleg I have ever known so far, the problem is with "some scratches". I would not belive that from this guy.

gigadeth · Post by **gigadeth** » Mon May 31, 2010 6:38 pm

pan_Heathen wrote:Not that cheap and apart from that, are you really sure it wasn't a bootleg?

when i asked the seller if the target cd is bootleg or not, he gave me a bigger size picture :

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh26 ... G_2619.jpg

it looks legit. doesn't it?
and he said the cd has scratches. most bootleg cds are in mint condition

Troma · Post by **Troma** » Mon May 31, 2010 10:15 pm

yeah, it is the original. I think 120$ is still way too much for a cd, but normally his prices are totally over the top, eventhough it is scratched. Maybe this time, there was no shill-bidding.

Stormspell · Post by **Stormspell** » Mon May 31, 2010 10:27 pm

Troma wrote:yeah, it is the original. I think 120$ is still way too much for a cd, but normally his prices are totally over the top, eventhough it is scratched. Maybe this time, there was no shill-bidding.

You guys realize that to re-press 500-1000 cds (cds only, without the inserts) nowadays costs about $500. Whoever did those TARGET bootlegs probably re-pressed fixing that "Proibitet" blooper long time ago.

After all, it only takes to sell two boots to pay for the entire re-pressing - no brainer at all.

It also takes one second to scrub a cd and make it "used", just sayin'

I'd say that in 10-20 years or so those "proibitet" boots may turn to be the rarest and most sought after pressing of that CD

Avenger · Post by **Avenger** » Mon May 31, 2010 10:30 pm

Troma wrote:Maybe this time, there was no shill-bidding.

He's actually one of the few Japanese sellers that don't do that. The madness of his auctions at times is all the direct outcome of bidding stupidity.

Heathen · Post by **Heathen** » Mon May 31, 2010 10:41 pm

stormspell wrote:those "proibitet" boots may turn to be the rarest and most sought after pressing of that CD

Or.... maybe it will be your 2CD release ob both albums

By the way, speaking about this 2CD reissue... It is a great release and maybe I am being picky, but why:

- neither on the CDs nor on the back insert is there written which CD contains which album? Just CD1 CD2. This info is missing in the whole artwork!
- the Master Project Genesis front cover there is no album title, why it's been changed?
- And a very minor one: why on each side of the box there is just one of the albums mentioned, not both - it is a two album release after all!

perishinflames · Post by **perishinflames** » Mon May 31, 2010 10:58 pm

Yeah that Target still looks a bit fishy to me, matrix looks a bit "fat". Real DADC discs always had little patterns and shit in the matrix as well, like so:

Granted you can't see a lot from PKs photo, but it still looks off.

Stormspell · Post by **Stormspell** » Tue Jun 01, 2010 4:47 am

pan_Heathen wrote:By the way, speaking about this 2CD reissue... It is a great release and maybe I am being picky, but why:

- neither on the CDs nor on the back insert is there written which CD contains which album? Just CD1 CD2. This info is missing in the whole artwork!

CD#1 has Mission Executed artwork on it, CD#2 has Master Project Genesis. Isn't it obvious which is which? Besides, on the backtray the adjacent side-tab does have the appropriate album (see pic below).

- the Master Project Genesis front cover there is no album title, why it's been changed?

Franky wanted the new logo on it (which he has designed himself). Ralf had the original painting hanging on his wall and only managed to get a digital copy to me few days before the CDs went to pressing. In all the last-minute hassle of updating the layouts we forgot to add the title.

- And a very minor one: why on each side of the box there is just one of the albums mentioned, not both - it is a two album release after all!

Too long to fit both together on the same tab, so we split 'em, one album on left tab, one album on the right tab. Just a layout decision.

gigadeth · Post by **gigadeth** » Tue Jun 01, 2010 6:06 am

Troma wrote:Maybe this time, there was no shill-bidding.

do you have any clue for that he do shill bidding?? i just want to know if he really do shill bidding because i used to bid on his cds.

i think we have to check any auction which was ended for low price (not high price) to know if any seller do shill bidding or not. it is because i think seller do shill bidding when he does not want his item is sold for lower price than he expected. so we need to check this url to know if the seller do shill bidding or not :

http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?V ... =31&rdir=0

there may be "cheap cd hunter" there, of course.

as i wrote in different topic, the seller japanrarehunter do shill bidding using his another account www_diskheaven_co_kr. most bids of www_diskheaven_co_kr is like "Reserved" price for his auctions. his auctions will be ended today. i am sure you will find v***d ( private ) (= www_diskheaven_co_kr) from this url when last several hours of auction end : http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?V ... e=7&rdir=0

even if the current bid is so low, don't expect you can buy his CD for cheap price. www_diskheaven_co_kr will bid on it when last hours.

necrovomit74 · Post by **necrovomit74** » Tue Jun 01, 2010 9:25 pm

stormspell wrote:
CD#1 has Mission Executed artwork on it, CD#2 has Master Project Genesis. Isn't it obvious which is which? Besides, on the backtray the adjacent side-tab does have the appropriate album (see pic below).

I have a question which bothers me ever since. Why is it not possible to make an exact copy i.e. sound and artwork of the first press excluding matrix?????? That would wipe out bootlegs forever...

Stormspell · Post by **Stormspell** » Tue Jun 01, 2010 10:58 pm

necrovomit74 wrote:I have a question which bothers me ever since. Why is it not possible to make an exact copy i.e. sound and artwork of the first press excluding matrix?????? That would wipe out bootlegs forever...

Stormspell's agenda is not to wipe bootlegs. My agenda is to give second chance to arcane demos/80's albums the way I like it. Which means with good thick booklet crammed with lyrics, info, archive photos, audio bonuses, etc. giving people a bang for their buck.

I despise all those cheap "first pressings" which came with minimalistic one-page "booklets" clearly made to be as cheap as possible to maximize profit. I have no intentions whatsoever emulating such packaging. There are plenty of "budget" labels around doing that anyway.

It is the easiest thing to get an existing release and replicate it as-is. But it would be not a work of passion anymore, it would be a plain boring manufacturing. If I was into making a profit, Stormspell would have been put to rest long time ago. Hope this answers your questions.

Avenger · Post by **Avenger** » Wed Jun 02, 2010 3:24 am

necrovomit74 wrote:
stormspell wrote:
CD#1 has Mission Executed artwork on it, CD#2 has Master Project Genesis. Isn't it obvious which is which? Besides, on the backtray the adjacent side-tab does have the appropriate album (see pic below).
I have a question which bothers me ever since. Why is it not possible to make an exact copy i.e. sound and artwork of the first press excluding matrix?????? That would wipe out bootlegs forever...

Because it's not 1988 anymore?

Heathen · Post by **Heathen** » Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:08 am

A lot of metal CDs still in print look exactly or almost exactly like versions printed 20+ years ago. First Testament albums, first Metal church albums, european versions of Metallica albums etc. So some labels are doing that.