Insane ebay auctions - VINYL, tapes & merch

[ION BRITTON]

Sure he can do as he pleases and it's not the same thing with the example I gave although I am not aware of any way that you can actually measure the sentimental value of an item. I respect what Garven might feel for that record, but there's no way you can understand if my feelings for my maiden cds are weaker than that.
I guess he desperately needs the money. If he needed even more the starting price might as well have been $4.000, and with the way you put it, it would be just as 'justified'.

[N.W.O.O.F.G.M.]

I understand what you are saying. I would also feel bad if I had to give away my Black Sabbath Castle Communications tapes, or my Crimson Glory's Transcendence tape - even though it's lyrics sheet is almost torn in half and then taped. These items night not be worth a lot of money, hardly any I believe, but the memories I have associated with them, are actually priceless.

Also, if anyone might be asking for a large amount of money, even insane perhaps, for something that can be deemed as highly collectible, does not mean that there actually will be someone willing to fetch these 4-figure numbers.

[nightsblood]

Ion- I know what you're getting at, but your Iron maiden cd analogy is flawed. They may have a lot of sentimental value to you, but unless they are some ultra-rare pressing, you could easily replace them if, for some reason, you had to sell them. Rob won't be able to replace this copy of FaF since it was signed for him by all the band members. His item is thus unique and irreplaceable; your IM cd's are neither (unless there's something special about them you haven't mentioned).

I highly doubt he gets $1,000 for it. The question for buyers is not so much putting a price on 'sentimental', but rather are they willing to pay a thousand bucks for a fully autographed FaF that belonged to Rob Garven. Seems unlikely, but if there's a rich CU fanatic out there, it could happen

[ION BRITTON]

I agree, and I don't doubt that that is one of the most collectible Cirith Ungol items, but that price is what Garven decided that the item is at least worth. Maybe it would go for even more even if the auction started at $0.99, maybe much less.
I'm afraid this is slowly turning into the same old discussions we had here about the laws of supply and demand, grades of rarity etc etc. Anyway I hope Garven finally sells it and also finds two crazy bidders that will bring him one more thousand bucks, I can accept that price despite the fact that it hardly concerns the majority of the fans (or perhaps should I say the real fans?), the only thing I cannot agree with is that that price is supposed to be reasonable because it reflects Garven feelings about the album.

[Black Axe]

Decent price if you ask me, if I had buckets of money to spend I'd surely make a bid. Rather 3000 dollars to a member of the band than 300 to some unknown lame brain.

[ION BRITTON]

Ion- I know what you're getting at, but your Iron maiden cd analogy is flawed. They may have a lot of sentimental value to you, but unless they are some ultra-rare pressing, you could easily replace them if, for some reason, you had to sell them. Rob won't be able to replace this copy of FaF since it was signed for him by all the band members. His item is thus unique and irreplaceable; your IM cd's are neither (unless there's something special about them you haven't mentioned).

Well I don't know if it has ever occured to you, but even those common cds might be irreplaceable too, sentimentally speaking. It doesn't matter if they're not ultra rare unique pressings, to me they might be unique, you know, a torn page or a faded cover or if we're talking about vinyls a scratch at a certain song might mean a lot to you, I don't know if you've ever felt that feeling, perhaps NWOOFGM understands what I am trying to say with that torn Crimson Glory lyric sheet.

P.S. The reply above was to NWOOFGM post.

[N.W.O.O.F.G.M.]

It doesn't matter if they're not ultra rare unique pressings, to me they might be unique, you know, a torn page or a faded cover or if we're talking about vinyls a scratch at a certain song might mean a lot to you, I don't know if you've ever felt that feeling, perhaps NWOOFGM understands what I am trying to say with that torn Crimson Glory lyric sheet.

Oh, yes I do!

Those circles I made around the songs I liked the most on The Number Of The Beast Tape, the fact that several of my tapes where almost massacred by my tape deck, reducing the sound quality for all eternity in some specific parts, the scratch I accidentally made on Metal Church's Blessing in Disguise, giving Badlands a hi-cup that can't be cured, the clicks, skips and surface noise on my dubbed tapes that are unique...

I could go on forever. Whenever I listen to many of my beloved albums in an "upgraded" format I purchased sometime later in my life, they never seem right. They are not "mine".

Ah, memories...

[ION BRITTON]

Yes, now I'm sure you understand So, in a way, even those common dirt cheap albums might be totally unique and irreplaceable to you.

[Khnud]

After all, we live in a crazy world, where a Manilla Road's - The Deluge digipack CD was recently sold for $1000. I don't believe that any amount of this money went to Shelton's pocket.

What? That's insane! Do you have a link to that auction? I know it wold for about 150 euros recently but 1000 dollars is just incomprehensible!

[N.W.O.O.F.G.M.]

Here you go sir!

http://cgi.ebay.com/MANILLA-ROAD-DELUGE ... 3cac54fdeb

Suggested reading:

http://www.thecorroseum.com/phpbb2/view ... &start=390

(wom's post and beyond)

Edit: Check this also: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MANILLA-ROAD-Delu ... 20b0b4038f

Yes, I am way off topic now.

[perishinflames]

What he wants for it and what people are willing to pay are two different things.
I can understand the sentimental factor, but that isn't always related to the price of an item.
My Iron Maiden CDs have a great sentimental value to me, they don't cost much though and it would be quite naive to believe that they should bring me hundreds of dollars because of that if I had to sell them one day, I hope you understand what I mean.

I do understand, but I think this is just a case of "I'll try my luck at $1000 because that much might actually help dig me out of this hole, any less I'd rather just keep it".

[nightsblood]

Few things:

First, let's see how this does. Top rarity, poor condition:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... _926wt_992

Considering copies in much better condition have recently sold in the $1,000-$1,300 range, I gotta think the bid is already too high, but with items this rare the price is always gonna be pretty high I suppose

Ion- no, you missed the point entirely. The question here is NOT one of sentimental value translating into monetary value, at least not from a potential buyer's standpoint. Sentiment aside, Garven is pricing it high b/c he needs money; having the item end at $50 or $200 probably doesn't help him enough financially to let this go. For a buyer, the question is whether Rob Garven's fully autographed copy of FaF is worth a grand.

Second, your 'everything is unique' argument is facetious and also misses the point because again, we're NOT talking about putting a dollar value on sentimental attachment. Garven's autographed personal copy of FaF has traits that are desirable to others, so it does have some enhanced value to other people relative to a regular copy of FaF. Your beat-up Iron Maiden CDs and ripped Crimson Glory insert have no enhancing features to anyone except you; there is no reason whatsoever for someone to pay you a premium for them. A buyer does not care how attached the owner is to the item when deciding how much to pay. Many people will pay Rob a premium for his item based on its features; if he was just selling a regular copy of FaF he wouldn't get any more than the regular price for it.

Finally, can you please explain this comment:

"I can accept that price despite the fact that it hardly concerns the majority of the fans (or perhaps should I say the real fans?"

It sounds like you're implying that no 'real fan' of CU would even consider paying that much for this item. Why is that? A 'real fan' wouldn't want a fully autographed copy of FaF? A 'real fan' with the money to afford this wouldn't want to help Garven out of a financial pinch? Perhaps i misunderstand your statement, but it seems to infer that 'real fans' don't pay high prices for records. I know there are some high-dollar collectors that have no interest in the music, but to imply that anyone who pays big bucks for records is not a 'real fan' of the records is pretty insulting; "only the dollar cut-out bin is "tr00" ????

Sorry if I read too much into your statement, I just don't like the backlash that some 'rich' collectors get from people who can't afford to pay big prices for records. Apologies if I missed your point

[ION BRITTON]

Ion- no, you missed the point entirely. The question here is NOT one of sentimental value translating into monetary value, at least not from a potential buyer's standpoint.

I was commenting more on this

I imagine a sentimental attachment to a piece like that would be quite high, it would be a damn shame to start bidding at 99 cents and end up getting only 10% of what you wanted for it in the end, I sure as hell wouldn't risk it.

which as far as I can understand doesn't refer to the potential buyer's point of view.

The other things you've said are right, although I wasn't generalizing that 'everything is unique' in a way, just some items that you've grown up with and you're sentimentally attached to them.

It sounds like you're implying that no 'real fan' of CU would even consider paying that much for this item. Why is that? A 'real fan' wouldn't want a fully autographed copy of FaF? A 'real fan' with the money to afford this wouldn't want to help Garven out of a financial pinch? Perhaps i misunderstand your statement, but it seems to infer that 'real fans' don't pay high prices for records. I know there are some high-dollar collectors that have no interest in the music, but to imply that anyone who pays big bucks for records is not a 'real fan' of the records is pretty insulting; "only the dollar cut-out bin is "tr00" ????

From my experience and from some of the people I've met, I can assure you that many of those collectors aren't really interested in the music more than the piece of plastic itself. They are collecting metal just as they would be collecting stamps. No real love for the music, hardly supporting the bands, not going to gigs etc. Showing off their rare records is what they think that makes them special and truer than the rest who can't afford paying such prices. The way I understand heavy metal and the way I feel it, I can tell that those are not real fans. That doesn't mean that all of them are like that, but from what I've experienced so far many of them are. It might sound insulting and you'd think that I might be jealous that I can't buy those rarities, in fact I don't give a damn about 2 autographs and misprinted labels, its the music that is above all for me, if I can afford buying a record I will do it and lately I am trying to make sure that the money I spend goes to the bands/labels and not to the hands of the greedy sellers.
Truth is that I didn't explain it much before, but you could have asked for some explanation instead or writing things like "only the dollar cut-out bin is "tr00" or 'anyone who pays big bucks for records is not a 'real fan' things that I did not say neither I was implying. You said yourself that 'I know there are some high-dollar collectors that have no interest in the music' and that's exactly what I was implying.

[N.W.O.O.F.G.M.]

It's about time for this thread to be split, I believe. The topic should be about collecting, collector's mentality, what drives to collect and such.

This one should serve us right:
http://www.thecorroseum.com/phpbb2/view ... 52&start=0

[msp]

Few things:

First, let's see how this does. Top rarity, poor condition:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... _926wt_992

$1000 already! Anyone know if it is any good?