Early Black Metal - what were the bands?

[metalmaster]

What the fuck are you talking about?And I never said there was no black metal before Norway, .

My apologizes was, this Daniel guy, not you. The reponse can go to him anyway...ahah. anyway i told you that PM to continue with your errr...arguments.

Anyway, after all this "discussion", I will say it clearly: Black metal (or what is supossed to be BM) is nowadays something I didnt want to be part of. Thats the reason I stopped liking the stuff released after 1994 more or less: cloned bands, teenager-attitudes, pseudo intellectual poses, annoying arrogance, etc. To me BM is now a mock and a trend which many youngsters hold from in serch for something... personality mostly I suppose. BM used to be a way to make you think ... as once said Cronos: is about beign the best you can be. To me Metal is an inspiration, not an influence. Now, I see very few of that.
....and not just in BM, but in Death metal and Thrash and Heavy as well... A bunch
of drunk guys gathered at the summer festivals, acting like those who they critizise is far of what Metal music is for me. But in teh case of Black metal, 100% of the newer bands I've heard I didn't like at all, while still there are newer Heavy and Thrash bands I enjoy very much, that the reason why I dont but Bm nor DM anymore, whuile I still get HM and TM stuff.

[daniel]

I don't know if it's English not being your first language but you come across as very arrogant, 'This Daniel guy, the response can go to him anyway, haha'. Stop being such a know-it-all cunt and downgrading the term discussion with qutation marks. This is one of the few threads there actually IS a discussion.

[daniel]

If you look at the amount of views this thread's got it's the most viewed discussion based one of late, which says a lot.

[GJ]

Yep, the BM-nazis infiltrate and take notes and now we're all doomed!

[GJ]

First Rock, then Metal always had that sulfurous and youthful image. and indeed that's precisely what makes the charm of the music we love, this quite juvenile aspect, this sometimes cheap provocation.

I can't but agree with you. After all you are the expert:

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.c ... ID=3858645

Sorry! Haha!

Does humour belong in Black Metal?

[Nathaniel]

Bull's eye! You nailed it in a most accurate way my dear GJ! haha!!!!

[FuneralCircle]

I don't enjoy electronic music, including techno on a personnal level, but I appreciate to understand the why and how some people are really into it.

After all, real underground techno is just like real underground metal in the sense where it is a community of dedicated people to a certain kind of music only a handful of initiated persons might enjoy. Indeed style wise there are huge differences, but trying to interest oneself to other circles and music styles might be inspiring in a positive or a negative way.

I definitely agree, and while this may not tickle people's fancy, but I don't mind the underground of most genres... I do not listen to it personally, but of course we will never understand it in the same way they'll never understand the music we like.

Personally, the people who go out of their way to say things like "THAT IS GARBAGE!!!!" when it has little or nothing to do with Metal are the actual posers, as if they have way too much to prove.

Now, excuse me while I play some NWA... Some real "dark" and "black" music!!!

[Rick]

Well, I guess I created a bit of a monster, and though it wasn't my intention to unleash such an argument about Black Metal (I just wanted to get to know a few more early "Black" bands, for Christ's sake!) I guess that, despite my lack of time, I'll try to share my opinion a bit, even though it will surely clash with a few others' around here.

The only Black Metal I really care about is eighties' Black, and a few early nineties' bands as well. There are a few more recent bands I can hear and enjoy, but out of the zillions of post-92 BM bands I guess I probably know only a handful.

To me, Black Metal begins and nearly ends with Venom, who pretty much created at the same time Black, Thrash and Death in my opinion, to a great extent. I remember how a "Black Metal band" such as Celtic Frost was also a "Thrash Metal band" in the magazines, and those terms were in no way contradictory. In the late eighties it was as if Black Metal bands were those among the Thrashers that utilized the Satanic visual and lyrics (even though Slayer were never considered one of them - perhaps the vocals weren't raspy enough - I am adding them to the list though as I agree with the previous remarks that they should be present).

I also remember the resurgence of the early nineties and discovering bands back then that I was totally into (and remain a fan of till the present) such as Master's Hammer, Root, Impaled Nazarene, Samael, Rotting Christ and so on. There weren't many Black Metal fans around here in Portugal and the most diehard were even kind of outsiders to some of the more established fanzines and media because they didn't play good technical Thrash or Heavy Metal. An interesting "who's who" of the Black scene in Portugal back then can be found in that most interesting document that is the video of Quorthon's visit in 1990 (available in that Bathory box that was released some years ago). Good times that I miss.


Then the whole Norwegian thing happened. I did like a few of the bands (I still think 'A Blaze in the Northern Sky' is brilliant, even though it's such a blatant Celtic Frost near rip-off), but it was never really my thing. I much preferred bands like Root. The real problem was what ensued. The whole elitist and Nazi thing that followed was ridiculous. The incoherence was astounding. I don't even want to get into that.

I soon learned that arguments over the internet about Black Metal were not something I wanted to go through ever again because it was usually just a waste of time (even though I have seen many valid and interesting points being made on this thread - I guess Corroseum attracts better informed people). So, live and let live. I love oldschool Black Metal, as much as I love oldschool Heavy and Thrash. I've had my Black band for many years and we still play a few gigs and release a few things once in a while. The elitist and supremacist trend is worn out, as it happens with all fads, and the time when my band was nearly getting into fistfights with Metal Nazis is gone. So that suits me fine. At least this is what it seems to me, as in truth I have no idea what new bands are up to these days. Whatever it may be I guess it's far less visible unless you actively take an interest.

And as I said, this thread is useful for me because I'm getting to know old bands I wasn't acquainted with yet. Thanks a lot for the suggestions!

[Cochino]

To make things clear (from my point of view at least) I would say that in the 80's Black Metal was just a label that was put on bands mainly based on aesthetics and that in the late 80's/early 90's it became a genre with it's own conventions. This thread was suposed to be about the bands (that could've been) labeled as Black Metal in the 80's and not about the actual genre that Black Metal is nowadays.

[metalmaster]

I don't know if it's English not being your first language but you come across as very arrogant, 'This Daniel guy, the response can go to him anyway, haha'. Stop being such a know-it-all cunt and downgrading the term discussion with qutation marks. This is one of the few threads there actually IS a discussion.

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[daniel]

What the hell is your problem!?

[FuneralCircle]

Whoa, I don't believe it. A black metal discussion gone awry.

[MEXDefenderOfSteel]

Whoa, I don't believe it. A black metal discussion gone awry.

yup, and i think the devil is behind it

[Avenger]

White Metal is a genre as well then? Is Black Sabbath gonna be in both sides? While White Metal is a label that certainly doesn't refer to a genre but an ideology, a message in the lyrics Black Metal, even though it might have started that way, nowadays it refers to a certain sound, and I don't think anybody can deny it. Even those who want to include bands like Bulldözer into the genre should admit that when they read that a new band plays Black Metal they think of a specific musical style. Whether we like it or not we don't live in the 80's anymore so even if in the 80's Black Metal meant something different, nowadays it is a musical genre.

I've expressed this exact point a few times before here, but no one seems to take notice.

Whether we like it or not we don't live in the 80's anymore so even if in the 80's Black Metal meant something different, nowadays it is a musical genre.

Which is off-topic around here? (Says the closet Pomp Rocker )

And this has already been discussed in the mod forum.

Why this thread is still going, I have no idea... Perhaps it's due to the fact that so many of us find this type of music so daft and uninteresting that we haven't taken the time or put forth the effort to moderate the thread. Yawn...

[daniel]

If people on the forum are discussing it then it's bullshit to close a thread and sweep it under the rug as if to pretend 'these things aren't of interest here'. Yes I got a bit worked up, 'Metalmaster' seems to think because he's been around for so long he is inherently right and doesn't need to speak down to little fools like me - that you must be a fool to disagree with him and can't really understand metal.