FLAMES

daniel · Post by **daniel** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 6:25 pm

You're not funny. And if you're going to argue, then don't make things up, I do NOT go on about this stuff in near every post. And the core issue was not that I hate people who don't own this or that but that it annoys me that people will act as if they have something when all they really have is MP3s, now WHY should I respect that? My friends don't collect stuff like I do, and it obviously doesn't bother me, but they don't act cocky either.

'pataphysicien · Post by **'pataphysicien** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 6:39 pm

I'm not trying to argue, I'm just trying to tell you something. you talk about collecting records like it was some kind of magic value in itself more than any internet guy whose posts I come across semi-regularly. and I had not reacted had this been the first time. I simply dislike the attitude that comes with those posts. to start with I can't even begin to fathom why you need to mix 'respect' into music buying habits. why even use the word? that kind of clique-hierarchy-mentality puts me off wherever I see it. nothing personal.

daniel · Post by **daniel** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 6:51 pm

Well I can't understand what world you live in if there ISN'T magick connected to vinyls and metal. This is the age of the internet, you can get everything for free, there IS a difference between those who give a shit about putting some effort into acquiring the stuff they love and those who try argue that we're all equal and everyone should be mister nice guy to each other blah blah. You have issues with me having these opinions, yet there are bigger cunts out there, I never see you saying one negative thing about them.

'pataphysicien · Post by **'pataphysicien** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 7:15 pm

I'm really not trying to make you a bad man, I'm just skeptical of some of your attitudes. and you're right, quite a few people can be pricks on the internet. but then again I'm really not into flame-warring, regardless of who/what is involved.

there's obviously something fascinating about metal on vinyls to me, but I'd never expect anyone to share that idea. love for the music can grow with mp3s and owning the original LP is not something that makes that love any more 'real' or 'honest'. I gather that you have a problem with people acting 'cocky'? now would you say it's ever OK to act cocky because of musical tastes? or in this case the formats one own that music on? because I'm getting the impression that cockiness is OK once one can back it up with an original vinyl and I happen to think that cockiness ("holier than thou" attitudes) is not something I like, ever.

daniel · Post by **daniel** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:22 pm

Of course cockiness is never ok, and it doesn't make anyone better having certain records in general but in certain contexts it makes a difference - pretending to be something your not is a strange concept to me anyway. Am I cocky? I don't try to be, and at least outside a forum I don't think anyone could possibly perceive me as such, I will be open and honest about anything and will discuss anything, I don't make things up about people unlike certain others, but I have strong opinions on certain things and I will never stay quiet just to not piss off the 'wrong' people. I'm living my own life and I'm not putting on some show when I go online - that doesn't mean I think everything I've posted is great, often I post in anger and then regret it afterwards thinking I've been such a twat, but I will also say that and pretend I can never go back on anything I've said.

Dodens Grav · Post by **Dodens Grav** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 9:32 pm

What I'm trying to understand is how tracking down a record is like, a notable achievement in your life that you would write down in your autobiography. Like, "I graduated from Yale with a perfect 4.0 GPA and never missed a day of class, worked my own way through college, and am now a multi-millionaire. But, most importantly, I found a mint condition copy of the test press of the Flames of Hell LP, the thing in my life that I'm most proud of."

daniel · Post by **daniel** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 11:56 pm

Don't understand it then.

daniel · Post by **daniel** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 11:10 am

BUT, fuck all this arguing for now, drink and be merry

Black Axe · Post by **Black Axe** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 11:12 am

daniel wrote:BUT, fuck all this arguing for now, drink and be merry

But those things go hand in hand...

daniel · Post by **daniel** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 11:27 am

Depends on the company doesn't it

'pataphysicien · Post by **'pataphysicien** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 1:09 pm

daniel wrote:BUT, fuck all this arguing for now, drink and be merry

this

Avenger · Post by **Avenger** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 12:09 pm

daniel wrote:Anyone can say whatever they want, but projecting an ambiguous image is something I have no respect for - if I feel people purposedly avoid mentioning whether they actually bothered tracking down certain albums rather than just downloading them then I have no reason to respect them IF this is pretty much the only sort of information I get about them - I don't judge my friends based on what they have bought, but if I'm on a forum and I get the impression someone's is trying to impress outside their league so to say then yeah I think that's stupid - be humble, say yeah I love this or that though I've never found it, or been able to afford it, instead of 'THIS IS FUCKING KILLER! I BLAST THIS WITH EVERY JÄGER!'. Also, yes I completely admit I have no respect for people who only collect stuff on CD or download stuff, original vinyls are the closest to the artist you can get, so it is the most pure. End of story.

Wow, I agree with downloading, but if you are paying for the music regardless the format, it shouldn’t matter. Your view on vinyl is ridiculous because I'm 100% certain that you are not 45 years old and bought all of your records BRAND NEW when the artist still got a share of the sale price. How is a bidding war against someone else that ends with a hugely inflated value where the entire proceeds go to an individual with zero connection to the band "pure"?

daniel · Post by **daniel** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 1:42 pm

Collecting has nothing to do with where the money goes to me - it's a fading fact in the face of the music and format it is on.

Dodens Grav · Post by **Dodens Grav** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 6:16 pm

Well I never purported to be a collector, nor do I respect the collector mentality. I'm a listener, and rarely does it make a difference if I'm listening to a reissue or an original, other than semantically.

Avenger · Post by **Avenger** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:30 am

The term "pure" is highly flawed in this case then. What about bands like for example Apostle that only released their albums on tape? Are they not "pure" because they don't have any vinyl releases? And who deemed vinyl the "pure" format to begin with? In my opinion the term "pure" is only applicable if the band is getting part of the proceeds for the sale of their music. So, with that understanding the average collector that purchases XXX album from XXX third party that has nothing to do with the band really isn’t "pure" under any circumstances.