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nightsblood · Post by **nightsblood** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:49 pm

doomedplanet wrote:What Dan says is true, I've been collecting metal vinyl since the 80's and all through the 90's I tried to get the current vinyl releases coming out, many of them were really hard, like King Diamond "Spiders Lullaby" which I never once saw listed anywhere back then. I still don't have it but won't pay the high tariff. I have the lame picture disc of course. So many of them must have been made in 500 copies or less or sold so poorly they were discarded. hard to know.

Rob wrote:I've seen a lot of Mercyful Fate and King Diamond nineties LPs going to the 300€ border.
I was wondering what could be the reason... anyone?

Yeah, vinyl copies of 90s releases were very, very hard to come by when they were released. Remember this was pre-ebay/internet boom, so mail order was the only way to get hard to find stuff, and it was an expensive option. Also, no one, and i mean NO ONE, wanted vinyl by the early 90s. It was a dead format (and still is for mainstream music), so there was zero incentive to make it in the first place. In 1992 I was the only person in a college dorm of 300+ people with a turntable, and people looked at me like I had just told them I owned an electric wombat shaver- vinyl was NOT 'retro' or cool in '92.
No demand
No supply
Very hard to get the miniscule supply that did exist
...and now they're considered grail items

Man, I should go back to college- I would be so much cooler now!

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:37 pm

Yeah, I started collecting vinyl in the nineties myself, so I can understand what you're telling about. Nowadays I look back at those old catalogues and I curse myself for not buying some of those cheap records back then. But at the time i didn't knew anything about them and had no internet to hear if it was cool or not.

Sorry for the off topic.

Doureios_Ippos · Post by **Doureios_Ippos** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:29 pm

and what about all of the new lp releases nowadays???....(333 copies, 500 copies, 700 copies,...)
well, what is the reason for not releasing them at more copies???? i dont believe that if manilla road new lps (for example) were released in more than 1000 copies would never be sold out....i believe that someone wants to earn more money from this..... and this is not good since we are talking about metal.....or perhaps we are looking for collectors and not heavy metal funs....tell me if i am wrong.....

mega_lodon · Post by **mega_lodon** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 10:22 pm

Doureios_Ippos wrote:and what about all of the new lp releases nowadays???....(333 copies, 500 copies, 700 copies,...)
well, what is the reason for not releasing them at more copies???? i dont believe that if manilla road new lps (for example) were released in more than 1000 copies would never be sold out....i believe that someone wants to earn more money from this..... and this is not good since we are talking about metal.....or perhaps we are looking for collectors and not heavy metal funs....tell me if i am wrong.....

Invest on a lot of 1000 LP release, chances are it will take a long while to bring in returns (you might even lose money for doing that). If you release an LP in limited 333 copies, I tell ya they will sell like hot cakes!

Low risk and faster returns, why not? Oh, don't forget to save a few copies for yourself so you can sell them later at higher prices on ebay.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

But then I also have a feeling that some bands/labels purposely put out their vinyl releases in small quantities just hoping to see them turn into some rarities. I call those "man-made" rarities (y'know, like those man-made diamonds). Again don't forget to keep a few copies for good use later (be it sales or trade).

Stormspell · Post by **Stormspell** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 4:03 am

mega_lodon wrote:But then I also have a feeling that some bands/labels purposely put out their vinyl releases in small quantities just hoping to see them turn into some rarities. I call those "man-made" rarities (y'know, like those man-made diamonds). Again don't forget to keep a few copies for good use later (be it sales or trade).

Uh dude, do you know of any real mega-rarities which werent pressed in limited quantities in the past? All of those 80s holy-grails are nothing but limited releases of 100-500 copies... If you think about it there was a good reason why many of those things never sold in their day. It is the value of the item that makes it collectible, not the music at all.

gigadeth · Post by **gigadeth** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:30 am

there is a famous story about a super-rare album by a Japanese Hard Rock band, RAN. if you are familiar with a Japanese Pop artist B'z, you know B'z guitarist Matsumoto. he participated in the RAN's album as vocalist before B'z. but it seems he didn't like his vocal style.

after B'z become famous, the RAN album was also highly wanted from B'z fans.
but he didn't want people listen his vocal. eventually he purchased all RAN CD/LP from all record shops as people could not buy it, and he also bought copyright from the record company as they could not release. so now even though the record company is Toshiba (the major company), nobody could release the album.

when i have visited japan some years ago, i found RAN CD at a shop, but the price was about 1000 USD.

nightsblood · Post by **nightsblood** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:43 pm

Doureios_Ippos wrote:and what about all of the new lp releases nowadays???....(333 copies, 500 copies, 700 copies,...)
well, what is the reason for not releasing them at more copies????

Because there's really not that much demand for them. I think some metal fans and collectors get so wrapped up in their vinyl obsession that they forget that 9 out of 10 metal fans have ZERO interest in vinyl- they don't buy it, don't collect it, and don't even have a turntable. From reading Stormspell's posts in other threads, it's apparently not easy to find a place that will press vinyl for a reasonable cost in the first place. We see a handful of people here at the Corroseum clamoring for Stormspell and others to make more vinyl, but once you leave this forum, how much interest is there gonna be? Seriously? From the other 2 metal forums I check semi-regularly, I'd be surprised if 5 people TOTAL were even interested in a new vinyl release, much less actually bought a copy on vinyl. If the demand were really high enough that labels could quickly sell 1,000 or 2,000 copies on vinyl, they'd be pressing them up and selling them. 20 pre-orders from The Corroseum just won't cut it.

If glockose, Stormspell, Shadow Kingdom, doomedplanet, or someone else that has released vinyl sees this thread, would y'all mind sharing some numbers regarding how much it costs to press up 1,000 copies of something on vinyl versus how long it typically takes to make a profit? Glockose might have posted some info about this before, I'm not sure

Glockose · Post by **Glockose** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 2:21 pm

Yes I posted it heer before. But I have been so out of the loop that I dont know the current costs.

The problem really is there is no demand. What I mean is it is very hard to move 500 copies on vinyl these days, At least for cash.

I have been talking to someone else on this site about releasing a few things again, But unless you just don't mind losing money OR putting out some cheap looking product. You can't do it.

At least I know I couldn't do an OPM release like the ones in the past.
(Paying the band GOOD, Thick USA cover, Shipping, Pressing vinyl, Artwork, Mastering )

Doureios_Ippos · Post by **Doureios_Ippos** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:17 pm

ok....who is going to rerelease leather nun on lp? i suppose that if 2000 or more copies will be released all of them will be sold out...not only 333....lets see....

The Knell · Post by **The Knell** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:21 pm

do that much people know and appreciate Leather Nunn? But it would be totally great to see this one reissued.

Glockose · Post by **Glockose** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:30 pm

Would not sell, sorry

Doureios_Ippos · Post by **Doureios_Ippos** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:30 pm

hey...i know at least 20 people here in my town that would absolutely ''eat'' this lp....wont be about 20 in each greek city? that makes 50*20=1000 people....just imagine what comes next in other countries.....

Glockose · Post by **Glockose** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:36 pm

Then why wasn't done with the CD?

Also It doesn't work that way. town to town. I'm sorry.
If it is a done deal then why don't you do it? Hell anyone can release a record it aint that hard.

Doureios_Ippos · Post by **Doureios_Ippos** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:40 pm

you re in my mind dude.....perhaps i will do it who knows....cd is only cd nothing more...you all know what means lp sound dont you?????

Glockose · Post by **Glockose** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:48 pm

Doureios_Ippos wrote:you re in my mind dude.....perhaps i will do it who knows....cd is only cd nothing more...you all know what means lp sound dont you?????

Good Luck sir.