Iron Maiden

pzman · Post by **pzman** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 7:06 pm

Everyone knows that Iron Maiden were the biggest band to come out of the NWOBHM movement. Well, i was wondering what would have happened if they hadn't made it (band breakup, poor management etc)? Would the NWOBHM have movement lost its momentum? Would another band have taken their place? How about the rest of the metal world? Your thoughts guys.....

Shadow Kingdom · Post by **Shadow Kingdom** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 7:14 pm

You should really check out this NWOBHM DVD that just came out. It focuses on IRON MAIDEN and what the whole scene was like back then

http://www.shadowkingdomrecords.com/sto ... rward_form

Black Axe · Post by **Black Axe** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:08 pm

Lightning To The Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatioooooooooons!

Def Leppard were still a bit bigger, but Iron Maiden was the biggest metal band not ignoring their past. It's hard to make a good guess what would've happened to the movement though. Most of the other reasonably big names softened their sound after their first albums so probably even more bands would've gone soft earlier on in the movement and it would've died even sooner.

MEXDefenderOfSteel · Post by **MEXDefenderOfSteel** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 5:43 am

Judas Priest

The Erlking · Post by **The Erlking** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:43 am

I don't really consider Priest as part of NWoBHM movement but sure they would've kept delivering the goods as always. After all they did that back in 70s when there was much fewer bands doing the same thing..

JonahQuizz · Post by **JonahQuizz** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:13 am

This discussion about Judas Priest seem to come up everywhere once in a while. Some people say that they had a few albums that should be counted as NWOBHM but according to me they can't be considered a "new wave" when they've already released several albums before that are to early to be part of the NWOBHM movement. I don't think they're sound in the 70's were very NWOBHM-sounding either

Nightlock · Post by **Nightlock** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:54 am

On another note I think Judas Priest were more influential on N.W.O.B.H.M. than Sabbath.

msp · Post by **msp** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:22 am

pzman wrote:Everyone knows that Iron Maiden were the biggest band to come out of the NWOBHM movement. Well, i was wondering what would have happened if they hadn't made it (band breakup, poor management etc)? Would the NWOBHM have movement lost its momentum? Would another band have taken their place? How about the rest of the metal world? Your thoughts guys.....

If they had not made it? Someone like okilee dokille would be buying their obscure private 1980 7" for $1500

Black Axe · Post by **Black Axe** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:32 am

Nightlock wrote:On another note I think Judas Priest were more influential on N.W.O.B.H.M. than Sabbath.

Yeah, but the heavier bands usually had an equal amount (or more) of Sabbath influence. Bands like Thin Lizzy and UFO were very influential on the NWOBHM too.

Professor Black · Post by **Professor Black** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 4:16 pm

Priest and Motorhead are NOT part of the NWOBHM. I also don't think there's much Priest influence to be heard within the movement. Seems to me they had much more of an impact on the metal coming from continental Europe a few years later.

So, I disagree about Priest's influence on NWOBHM being bigger than Sabbath's.

I would say that Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, Thin Lizzy, Motorhead, and the NWOBHM bands themselves were the biggest influences there, with Sabbath, Priest, and less prominent 70s acts (Uriah Heep, UFO, maaaybe Scorpions) making a smaller impact.

great_knuthulhu · Post by **great_knuthulhu** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 6:56 pm

Professor Black wrote:Priest and Motorhead are NOT part of the NWOBHM. I also don't think there's much Priest influence to be heard within the movement. Seems to me they had much more of an impact on the metal coming from continental Europe a few years later.

So, I disagree about Priest's influence on NWOBHM being bigger than Sabbath's.

I would say that Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, Thin Lizzy, Motorhead, and the NWOBHM bands themselves were the biggest influences there, with Sabbath, Priest, and less prominent 70s acts (Uriah Heep, UFO, maaaybe Scorpions) making a smaller impact.

Motorhead and Priest were not Nwobhm of course. Can't be part of a "new wave" if you've been around for years already.

Not too sure about influences in the NWOBHM. There wasn't [that much] Sabbath influence, meaning not as much as one would like/think considering the size of their following afew years earlier. Maybe you can't hear much Priest, but I'm listening to the Stormqueen album right now and there is some pretty strong Priest influence in some of the riffs and song structures there. Also, the non-bluesy, non-soul-influenced screeching of some vocalists (admittedly there weren't too many of those around) were clearly disciples of Rod.

I think you underestimate the influence of UFO on the British bands, but otherwise I pretty much agree with you.

bigfootkit · Post by **bigfootkit** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:16 pm

I agree, UFO were a huge influence on the NWoBHM, if only because of their huge influence on the fledgling Iron Maiden who were huge fans of the band and toured with them in the early years. Hell, they even covered at least one of their songs.
I think the guitarwork of Michael Schenker in particular was a big influence on NWoBHM guitarists, quite often the soloing would be in that very melodic almost lyrical style of Metal Mickey's.
You also cannot deny the influence of Sabbath on bands like Witchfinder General, Diamond Head, Witchfynde, Angel Witch, Hell etc.
For many of the NWoBHM Sabbath were the blueprint.
It was interessting that someone mentioned the influence of the bands on each other, i totally agree, but perhaps not in an obvious musical way, but certainly bands were encouraged by their peers playing shows, writing their own material & releasing their own records.
This being a lesson they had learned from the Punk scene, the D.I.Y. ethic.
So the punk scene also has to be held up as an influence, also musically on the likes of Venom, Vermilion, Demon Pact etc.
It was a fascinating time.
As for whether Motorhead or Priest should be considered part of the movement, that's tricky. Some of the bands who do "fit the bill" were actually as old as Lemmy & co. and had been around as long, like Quartz. Nightwing members had played in early 70's band Strife, likewise Saxon who had been around for a long time as Son Of A Bitch. So if they count, why not Gillan or Whitesnake?
Tricky.

MEXDefenderOfSteel · Post by **MEXDefenderOfSteel** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:43 pm

well in that case,there are loads of bands that started since the 70s and are considered part of the NWOBHM, in my opinion, the heaviest Priest albums were made in the early 80s

btw, i think the UFO cover made by Maiden was "Doctor,Doctor"

Black Axe · Post by **Black Axe** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:06 pm

MEXDefenderOfSteel wrote:in my opinion, the heaviest Priest albums were made in the early 80s

bigfootkit · Post by **bigfootkit** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:21 pm

MEXDefenderOfSteel wrote:well in that case,there are loads of bands that started since the 70s and are considered part of the NWOBHM, in my opinion, the heaviest Priest albums were made in the early 80s

btw, i think the UFO cover made by Maiden was "Doctor,Doctor"

Ah, regarding the UFO cover, i believe you're correct.
Steve Harris must play a lot of UFO records around the house as his daughter Lauren has recorded a UFO cover too!
For me the 3 heaviest Priest records are "Rocka Rolla" (a controversial choice?), "Sin After Sin" & , although i don't much like it, "Painkiller". Two from the '70's & one from the '90's. Their '80's albums are lightweight sounding in comparison.

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