Glam/Hard Rock/Hair Metal

The Erlking · Post by **The Erlking** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 12:51 pm

ION BRITTON wrote:
The Erlking wrote: W.A.S.P. - Lot's of good songs and albums.
Aaaaarghh, again with this...Why do people in this forum consider WASP as a hair metal band? It's the upteenth time i'm reading such thing... Does the s/t album or Crimson idol or Headless Children sound so glammy to some ears? For me it's pure metal and in fact there are some WASP tracks on which the whole thing can't get more metal!

I was thinking more the early albums. Headless Children and Crimson Idol are far from anything glammy but in my opinion there's a slight "hair metal" feel in stuff like I Wanna Be Somebody , Animal (Fuck Like A Beast), Wild Child, L.O.V.E. Machine. Still great though. And I don't think they're on same line with bands such as Mötley Crüe or Poison

ION BRITTON · Post by **ION BRITTON** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 1:10 pm

The Erlking wrote:
ION BRITTON wrote:
The Erlking wrote: W.A.S.P. - Lot's of good songs and albums.
Aaaaarghh, again with this...Why do people in this forum consider WASP as a hair metal band? It's the upteenth time i'm reading such thing... Does the s/t album or Crimson idol or Headless Children sound so glammy to some ears? For me it's pure metal and in fact there are some WASP tracks on which the whole thing can't get more metal!
I was thinking more the early albums. Headless Children and Crimson Idol are far from anything glammy but in my opinion there's a slight "hair metal" feel in stuff like I Wanna Be Somebody , Animal (Fuck Like A Beast), Wild Child, L.O.V.E. Machine. Still great though. And I don't think they're on same line with bands such as Mötley Crüe or Poison

On the other hand the albums you mentioned contain "Hellion", "The torture never stops", "On your knees", "Tormentor", "Widowmaker", "The last command". Isn't it a bit unfair to put a strict "Hair Metal" tag on them?

Noisenik · Post by **Noisenik** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 1:22 pm

WASP are way to heavy for such tag. Too bestial for the bands mentioned here.

The Erlking · Post by **The Erlking** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 1:49 pm

Well yeah you're right, I wouldn't put a strict hair metal tag on them. However I feel they have several "hairish" (what a word) moments on their first albums. Kinda like Loudness - Hurricane Eyes has songs like S.D.I., Strike Of The Sword, In This World Beyond and also songs like This Lonely Heart, Rock'N Roll Gypsy and In My Dreams. And it happens that the WASP songs I mentioned are the ones I first heard (over the radio or something) and when someone mentions the band they are the ones I also think of first. Even though they do have better ones.

Besides I like to think glam "metal" as bands like Crüe, Poison, Ratt etc. and hair metal as real heavy metal with slightly melodic and commercial touches.

nightsblood · Post by **nightsblood** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:58 pm

Good call on war babies! Love that album, although it's more of a rock album than glam IMO

Early WASP kinda straddles the glam-metal boundary same as Guns n Roses and early LA Guns (good call on that one too).

Re: Diving for Pearls, the phrase DfP is slang for a gay man giving head to another guy, hence my original comment. I don't know the Elvis Costello connection.

ION BRITTON · Post by **ION BRITTON** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 3:33 pm

nightsblood wrote:Good call on war babies! Love that album, although it's more of a rock album than glam IMO

Sure it is, but the thread is about glam/hair and hard rock, isn't it? Anyway, it's a great album with numerous bluesy/southern influences that fit damn well with the rest of the material + a great voice.

nightsblood · Post by **nightsblood** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 4:54 pm

ION BRITTON wrote:
nightsblood wrote:Good call on war babies! Love that album, although it's more of a rock album than glam IMO
Sure it is, but the thread is about glam/hair and hard rock, isn't it? Anyway, it's a great album with numerous bluesy/southern influences that fit damn well with the rest of the material + a great voice.

Yep, a shame it came out just as grunge was taking over everything and thus got completely overlooked by most folks. I used to sit outside during lunch in high school and play this tape on a small boom box. This one gorgeous chick in my class loved the album too

Khnud · Post by **Khnud** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:16 pm

Heh, I actually own that Kick Axe album pictured above.

Dreamin' About You is a good song to make love to, I guess.

bigfootkit · Post by **bigfootkit** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:20 am

Since a few of you mentioned War Babies, is there any love for Brad Sinsel's previous band, TKO?
Their "In Your Face" is a great little album, and way heavier than the cover would lead you to suspect.

Avenger · Post by **Avenger** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:33 am

bigfootkit wrote:Since a few of you mentioned War Babies, is there any love for Brad Sinsel's previous band, TKO?
Their "In Your Face" is a great little album, and way heavier than the cover would lead you to suspect.

TKO was an alright band.

I've nevr heard the Let It Roll album from '79 but I own both In Your Face and Below The Belt albums.

Decent stuff.

Korgüll · Post by **Korgüll** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 1:54 am

KICK AXE to me were never a hair band/glam, just solid hard rock!

I loved (& still do) LOVE/HATE-Blackout In The Red Room!!!!!!

I also really like PRETTY BOY FLOYD (most of those Jap bands everyone loves have the same kinda image, right!!!!!??)

Others I like:
SALTY DOG
LILLIAN AXE
ANGEL
HOUSE OF LORDS
LIFE SEX & DEATH
JOHNNY CRASH
SLAUGHTER (not Canada of course)
SHADOW KING
SAIGON KICK
LION
HAREM SCAREM
WARRANT
TIGERTAILZ
etc...
I really dig some of this stuff

Nightlock · Post by **Nightlock** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 2:51 am

I like the stuff associated in mainly image only...like;

TNT
W.A.S.P.
Lion
Kick Axe
Y&T (Early 80's)
TKO
Madison
Saxon ('84 - '90)
Judas Priest (Turbo)
Scorpions (late 80's pre-ballad)

etc

ION BRITTON · Post by **ION BRITTON** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:43 am

bigfootkit wrote:Since a few of you mentioned War Babies, is there any love for Brad Sinsel's previous band, TKO?
Their "In Your Face" is a great little album, and way heavier than the cover would lead you to suspect.

"In your face" is a very good album. "Danger city" must be a top-20 track of the genre for me!

bigfootkit · Post by **bigfootkit** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:55 pm

ION BRITTON wrote:
bigfootkit wrote:Since a few of you mentioned War Babies, is there any love for Brad Sinsel's previous band, TKO?
Their "In Your Face" is a great little album, and way heavier than the cover would lead you to suspect.
"In your face" is a very good album. "Danger city" must be a top-20 track of the genre for me!

Yeah, "Danger City" is a very cool song, "End Of The Line" rules too, and would be in my top 20 genre pick i think.
Someone else mentioned their "Let It Roll" debut LP from '79, this is a much more light weight affair, with only Sinsel's vocals linking the two eras of the band. I kinda like the album, but don't expect it to sound like the latter pair.

convent guilt · Post by **convent guilt** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:01 am

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