Insane Ebay Auctions - Vinyl, Tapes & Merch (2012)

vasilis2112 · Post by **vasilis2112** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:17 am

I see there is a conversation about "sick buy it now listings" (dear sagrotan I borrow your quote) and I have an opinion I 'd like to add.
Truth is that the vast majority of records listed for insane prices are in fact very rare and expensive. I believe the sellers do not want to sell those records from ebay because the fees would kill them, but they want to advertise it and win "the auction privillege" (bids from everybody and not a price the seller sets). So they list a record for a price that the potential buyer will never agree but he is free to offer what he thinks to be a good price in PM.
For example the Holocaust is listed for 1400GBP. I believe that many people contacted mr. iggo138 telling him "hey man, I can give you 600" outside ebay! Until he finds the price he wants. Then he cancels the auction and he sells the record privatly to somebody with no ebay and fees in the middle!
This is how I believe this works and this is what I would do!
If I had a sex pistols god save the queen 7" I would list it for 1000000$ and would wait for offers. Copies have been sold for 5000GBP 10000GBP and I believe I 've seen a copy sold for 27000GBP. It is not like selling my elixir in auction for 20$ less than I could, 1000, 5000 or 22000 GBP less/more is a lot of money!

Stormspell · Post by **Stormspell** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:42 am

Well, I disagree. Everyone likes to sell on eBay and that's why we see links to eBay and mot many items with firm prices posted on the forums. It's simply because you can get two or more people outbidding each other on eBay and selling the item for more cash than any individual offers you may get.

And lets face it, if he manages to sell it for 1400 pounds, he would still make more than enough after eBay fees

Dirty Rocker · Post by **Dirty Rocker** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:54 am

He's been offered 1500 euros even BEFORE he listed HOLOCAUST on eBay.

sagrotan · Post by **sagrotan** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:01 pm

hm, in that Torture listing the seller clearly stated such possible practice

I will also consider offers on this item, so don't be shy

so this obviously happens. still, with listing the thing for $2000 when a reasonable price would rather be like $20 i'd doubt that too many people were tempted to offer outside.

also not sure if many potential buyers would be aware of that concept if not clearly stated - my guess would be that most buyers are not so experienced or trusting to send money outside of ebay without being backed up by paypal.. ebay keeps "warning" people for good reasons (for them, obviously) to make deals outside of ebay and most people are alarmed that every seller can pull them over the barrel as soon as they are outside ebay..

in my selling experience (which is not too excessive though) it happened not very often that people came by and asked for lower prices.. maybe my prices were too reasonable in the first place

Fils Du Metal · Post by **Fils Du Metal** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:59 pm

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Warzwolf-Valley ... 500wt_1203

Please report. Fucking bootleg of Warzwolf again!

Dokken_Uwe · Post by **Dokken_Uwe** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 8:10 pm

Fils Du Metal wrote:http://www.ebay.com/itm/Warzwolf-Valley ... 500wt_1203

Please report. Fucking bootleg of Warzwolf again!

Actually boots suck, so I'm with you.
But in this case I'm NOT afraid bidding some bucks on the LP since there has been no chance (for regular people like me) to get the original LP.

Andreas · Post by **Andreas** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 8:15 pm

Nasty Uwe wrote:
Actually boots suck, so I'm with you.
But in this case I'm NOT afraid bidding some bucks on the LP since there's has been no chance (for regular people like me) to get the original LP.

I was thinking the same thing. And the seller is not selling it as the original.
And yes, I agree, boots suck, but sometimes it's better than just having some crappy mp3's

Trigger · Post by **Trigger** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 8:37 pm

You all agree,boots suck,but still you agree to pay for it,thus support those producing them.When will you understand that it's the price paid for a record that forces botleggers go on making fakes and when will you understand that you should not buy a boot NOT because it's expensive but because it's a fraud of several kinds?Stay with your mp3 instead.the market i already overwhelmed with them,stop supporting them with the lame excuse that they are cheap.

Andreas · Post by **Andreas** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 8:44 pm

Why are mp3's better than boots? They are as much fraud as boots.
I guess I have in my entire collection 2 boots (Legend and Flames of Hell), and I would be glad to buy an official release.
But since they are non-existant, and I can't pay 1000$ for a record, I bought the boots.
Many records would never be bootlegged if the band agreed to do an official reissue.
BTW I'm not at all fan of bootleggers and make fast money scemes.

perishinflames · Post by **perishinflames** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 8:56 pm

2008? I've never even heard of this, where are the other 99 copies?

Trigger · Post by **Trigger** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:00 pm

I don't see how mp3s are fraud,maybe only according to a stupid law that wanted to protect LABELS' rights to gain more money as they ripp off the artists,well there's no fraud for me.Also,you can't sell your mp3 file,can you?Anyway,I'm not implying of course that you care about making this kind of business or money.

Sgt. Kuntz · Post by **Sgt. Kuntz** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:22 pm

perishinflames wrote:2008? I've never even heard of this, where are the other 99 copies?

Only saw one auction from Brazil last year but that was reportetd to ebay and closed shortly after that.

msp · Post by **msp** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:02 pm

At least the seller is not trying to pass it off as the original

nightsblood · Post by **nightsblood** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:31 pm

Peter- sell me your original (for a price I can afford) and I'll be glad to report it

Bootlegs aren't always about price. Whoever bootlegged the White Boy & the Average Rat Band LP just sold 'em for $20-25 each; no copies, TMK, were ever sold for 'big bucks' or passed off as originals. Bootlegs of items like Warzwolf and White Boy are about access to SOME physical copy since so few original copies are available. Same is true with the Solar Eagle, but in that case people were deliberately trying to pass the fakes off as the real thing. The seller is not trying to pass this off as an original, so I'm having trouble getting incensed over this.

A person's reaction to these boots can also be colored by whether or not they own an original. Someone who owns an original Zaxas EP doesn't want to see it bootlegged b/c that could hurt the value of their original album. Those who do not have an original, however, don't mind the bootleg so much b/c it is the only way they can get a copy (it's hard to find and expensive if you do find it).

Trigger- people sell mp3s all the time. iTunes, emusic, amazon etc. And those 'stupid laws' against mp3 sharing are the same copyright laws that apply to bootlegging. You're splitting the hair mighty thin saying that mp3 sharing don't rip off artists but bootlegs do.

perishinflames · Post by **perishinflames** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:57 pm

Trigger wrote:Also,you can't sell your mp3 file,can you?

There was some Russian site selling some FLAC rips of rare albums I uploaded on another site. They just downloaded my rips and sold them. It happens.

I also don't see a problem with this Warzwolf bootleg. It certainly won't devalue the original, something as ridiculously rare as that some collectors will always be willing to pay $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ for an original even if there's a bootleg or reissue.