Are W.A.S.P. real metal or not? POLL ADDED PLACE YOUR VOTE

DeathMetalWeenie · Post by **DeathMetalWeenie** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:57 pm

"I think affiliate Motörhead to the Metal genre should be a crime against humanity. true story."
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Whoa.....ha, I have to say I have to disagree before the bay area thrash wave happened, ala Megaforce Records, and Combat Records. My favorite band was Motorhead. I still buy Motorhead records. I know alot of people thought they lost there driving edge after "Iron Fist" and "No sleep til hammersmith"' But I still love getting Motorhead albums.

The thing I really loved about Kick*Ass monthly that was the only and probably first publication, to cover not only "Motorhead" family of bands, Kick*Ass Monthly was also covered the "Venom" family of bands.

Plus as a Metallica fan since the first pressing of "Kill em All", the first edition cassette was not logoized it was in a normal font. METALLICA. I liked the Motorhead songwriting-side of Metallica, way more than the Diamond Head songwriting-side of the band, originally.

I remember seeing WASP on MTV, back in August 1984, I thought they were modeled after Motley Crue, Twisted Sister and Kiss. Did the band WASP ever claim to be a metal act?

Also, I remember back in August 1984 I shopped at a indepedent metal speciality store called The Record Gallery in Las Vegas, they were Nevada's answer to San Franciso's The Record Vault, and the east coast had Slipped Disc, and Rock n Roll heaven, and they only carried true metal, and I know for a fact, that store never carried WASP, because they belonged to the hard rock genre.

I look at heavy metal as its own genre, and not a sub-genre of hard rock.

Daniel I believe it was wanted to slag Metallica for playing there influences at a faster pace, but since all those bands were also my favorite bands. It was a no-brainer that Metallica would be my new favorite band alongside Mercyful Fate. The thing I liked about Metallica and Mercyful Fate was it was exactly like looking in a mirror, except those metal maniacs were 4 years older than me.

I remember Metallica saying in a April 1983 interview, Our main influences are Motorhead and Diamond Head and we try to be original as possible.

I know myself If I were to write a book on heavy metal, I would NOT include ANY of that LA glam movement, and of course, WASP. I only consider them hard rock ala, Van Halen and Kiss.

Black Axe · Post by **Black Axe** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 11:01 am

DeathMetalWeenie wrote:I know myself If I were to write a book on heavy metal, I would NOT include ANY of that LA glam movement, and of course, WASP. I only consider them hard rock ala, Van Halen and Kiss.

Just don't write it then.

The Sentinel · Post by **The Sentinel** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:16 pm

It's obvious then: WASP ARE NOT METAL.

Close the thread please!!!!

Black Axe · Post by **Black Axe** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:47 pm

We Are Soft Pussies

daniel · Post by **daniel** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:19 pm

We need a list of all the vinyls The Record Gallery carried so we can tell what is true or not from now on.

What band didn't say they were trying to be original back then?

WASP ain't glam, that's just beyond absurd. I've never been the biggest WASP fan, the band never meant much to me to be honest, but this thread is a joke, WASP IS/WAS a metal band, and Motley Crue also played some metal back in the day, as did Twisted Sister. This stupid nitpicking is getting very childish. As much as I love all the obscure metal bands of old in every genre there are so many bands that flat out aren't really all that metal if we're being honest, when it comes to recent sensations Pagan Altar and Hell instnatly come to mind, cos, play some of their old stuff back to back with this and tell me WASP are just hard rock: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6F791Td ... re=related Any arguments to the opposite will not be taken seriously haha

Talk about twisting reality to your own beliefs

Plus some fucking record shop or magazine do NOT get to define what metal is. This thread made me really defensive of WASP haha.

daniel · Post by **daniel** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:21 pm

For fuck's sake the track even references Iron Maiden.

ION BRITTON · Post by **ION BRITTON** » Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:25 am

Blackie always said he admired Steve Harris.

Stormspell · Post by **Stormspell** » Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:53 am

daniel wrote:This thread made me really defensive of WASP haha.

Ditto. The only good deed this thread serviced is making me revisit the old WASP.

DeathMetalWeenie · Post by **DeathMetalWeenie** » Wed Jun 29, 2011 7:19 pm

Whoa..........!!!!

Why should WASP be catorgorized Heavy Metal with say Black Sabbath, Venom, Iron Maiden, Metallica, Slayer, Mercyful Fate, Satan.

Why not catagorize them with the hair-ball hair metal FM radio, false metal style, like Quiet Riot, Black n' Blue, Icon, Steeler, Sweet Pain, Motley Crue, Ron Keel's Steeler. I just found those bands to be to effeminate (with or without the transvestite aspect) and lacking any POWER and metal aggression.

I believe when any band basis it music on Kiss, Van Halen, Montrose, The Runways, as a core, I call them hard rock, no matter what metal act they want to emulate, deep down inside, but can not muster up brainpower to understand when metal is watered down with hard rock is justh heavy rock rock. Because the agression, never gets past the mid-paced "metal" point.

The basis for all good heavy metal is based on the European NWOBHM (the authentic ones world-class artist....not the 9th rate pretenders/ or 8th rate contenders), those who started the Bay Area thrash and death metal movements understood that.

Back in 82, 83, 84, 85, 86 (junior high and high school) instead of listening to mid-paced hard rock pretending to be heavy metal. I ignored american glam rock/ hard rock and payed attenetion to hardcore punk rock, instead.

Quiet Riot (Discharge) Black n' Blue (Suicidal tendencies), Icon (DOA), Steeler (ChargeGBH), Sweet Pain (Black Flag), Motley Crue ( Accused), Ron Keel's Steeler (Misfitsts).

bigfootkit · Post by **bigfootkit** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:09 am

Opinions are like arseholes.
We've all got one, and most of them stink.

Deathymetalweenie, your Metal is not my Metal.
Does this mean you or i are wrong because we disagree?
No.
Metal is a broad church, as a genre it encompasses everything from Sabbath to Voivod to Helloween to Pagan Altar to The Mesmerist to Ashbury to Repulsion and on and on.
Your opinions are right for you, not for me.
Personally i prefer a more open ended, more inclusive definition of the genre, where Morbid Angel can rub shoulders with for example, Saracen.
This is patently not your point of view, which is fine with me, it's your loss.
I'll finish with a quote which sums up my feelings on this increasingly silly thread, i wish i could remember who said it originally.
Definitions only define limitations.

daniel · Post by **daniel** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 5:10 am

I'll pick this one apart...

"Why should WASP be catorgorized Heavy Metal with say Black Sabbath, Venom, Iron Maiden, Metallica, Slayer, Mercyful Fate, Satan."

Why wouldn't they? What's your argument other than some magazine or shop "told you so"? Why is WASP's "The Heretic" which I posted not metal? Or are you just stuck in a state of mind and unable to admit anything beyond that? Once again. How. Is. The Heretic. Not Metal.

PS. Motörhead aren't metal mate, plus Lemmy wrote shit lyrics and thinks it's cool to ignore fans to drool over silicon whores (just one of the stories told), and he never meant shit in my life, and I lived on the same street as him in England woah hah.

Also, Mötley Crue wrote a few fucking great metal songs back in the day regardless of what they turned into... Here's "Red Hot": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj_YYQ_2mI4 .:. And when MYTH played this same track on their 80's tape demo, would you for one single second doubt it was metal? No you would not or you're simply talking shit. So is it about the music or what people tell you to think??

"I believe when any band basis it music on Kiss, Van Halen, Montrose, The Runways, as a core, I call them hard rock, no matter what metal act they want to emulate, deep down inside, but can not muster up brainpower to understand when metal is watered down with hard rock is justh heavy rock rock. Because the agression, never gets past the mid-paced "metal" point."

Not following you. Motörhead based their sound on metal or what? Black Sabbath was based on metal bands? How can a band try to emulate a metal band yet still only base their sound on hard rock? Don't talk about mustering brainpower if you can't make any sense, or adhere to correct grammar for at least one post. Is '"mid-paced metal" some sort of insult? Should bands be demoted to "hard rock" if they slow down?

"The basis for all good heavy metal is based on the European NWOBHM (the authentic ones world-class artist....not the 9th rate pretenders/ or 8th rate contenders), those who started the Bay Area thrash and death metal movements understood that."

Total bullshit. What is "European NWOBHM"? The UK isn't Europe, nor was that era a unified style, it was full of total shit pub rock crap as well... Yet you're ok to lump them under the "metal" tag. Thrash was a lot more than some fucking West Coast US bands
as well mate. .:. How is Black Sabbath or Judas Priest based on NWOBHM? Why are you contradicting yourself?

"Back in 82, 83, 84, 85, 86 (junior high and high school) instead of listening to mid-paced hard rock pretending to be heavy metal. I ignored american glam rock/ hard rock and payed attenetion to hardcore punk rock, instead."

I didn't know punk rock was more metal than hard rock. Or what is your point? Only "cool stuff" is worthy?

Honestly, sounds like you've tried really hard to be cool and hang with the in-crowd your whole life, and now you think that just cos you've been around since then you have to be right.

Black Axe · Post by **Black Axe** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:45 am

If you don't think WASP are metal, I've got 5 words for ya:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvH_w5CJ58w

akira · Post by **akira** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:19 pm

For some ignorant people D.R.I. is, seems to me more metal, than W.A.S.P . How punk can be metal?

I don't get people putting punk into metal and questioning W.A.S.P at the same time.

Keel's Speed Demon & Thunder & Lightning are not metal? What are then, gospel?

mordred · Post by **mordred** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 3:27 pm

To me W.A.S.P. is much more similar to Satan (to pick one of the "metal" examples of DeathMetalWeenie) than ANY of his examples of "hair-ball hair metal FM radio, false metal style".

I'd also like to know this:

daniel wrote:How. Is. The Heretic. Not Metal.

MEXDefenderOfSteel · Post by **MEXDefenderOfSteel** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 4:12 pm

daniel wrote: "The basis for all good heavy metal is based on the European NWOBHM (the authentic ones world-class artist....not the 9th rate pretenders/ or 8th rate contenders), those who started the Bay Area thrash and death metal movements understood that."

Total bullshit. What is "European NWOBHM"? The UK isn't Europe, nor was that era a unified style, it was full of total shit pub rock crap as well... Yet you're ok to lump them under the "metal" tag. Thrash was a lot more than some fucking West Coast US bands
as well mate. .:. How is Black Sabbath or Judas Priest based on NWOBHM? Why are you contradicting yourself?

correct me if im wrong, but i think he was referring to the "pub rock crap" with "the 9th rate pretenders/ or 8th rate contenders" isnt he? confusing...

Are W.A.S.P. real metal or not? POLL ADDED PLACE YOUR VOTE

Are W.A.S.P. real Metal or not?