The pressing on OUT OF TUNE is very old ... I got my copy YEARS ago (between 1991 and 1992 if I remember correctly). They were opener for Metallica on the "Justice for all tour" in Berne, the capital of Switzerland). So for sure NO bootleg.
I dont think there is a case for claming that it is either a bootleg or a very latye pressing, but the problem is that it is widely considered as the first press, and I am yet to see any evidence that it preceeded the UOF pressing.
The Under One Flag pressing is licensed like nearly every other release from the labels catelog. I think it's safe to assume that the Out Of Tune press came before it as licensed pressings tend to be released later then the original label ones. If even a few months difference it would still be later.
Hypothesis: Do you know any other CD release licensed to UOF which had been released by its primary label earlier on CD in Europe? UOF had licenses for releases which were released only in the States. So maybe in this case OOT released the Vinyl and sold license to release it on CD to UOF? and some time after OOT also released it on CD? Could this hypothesis be easily proven wrong?
pan_Heathen wrote:
I dont think there is a case for claming that it is either a bootleg or a very latye pressing, but the problem is that it is widely considered as the first press, and I am yet to see any evidence that it preceeded the UOF pressing.
The Under One Flag pressing is licensed like nearly every other release from the labels catelog. I think it's safe to assume that the Out Of Tune press came before it as licensed pressings tend to be released later then the original label ones. If even a few months difference it would still be later.
Hypothesis: Do you know any other CD release licensed to UOF which had been released by its primary label earlier on CD in Europe? UOF had licenses for releases which were released only in the States. So maybe in this case OOT released the Vinyl and sold license to release it on CD to UOF? and some time after OOT also released it on CD? Could this hypothesis be easily proven wrong?
That's also a good theory. It's hard to say. I think unless the band members themselves come forward with answers we wil probably never know for sure. There's one thing I believe though and it's that the Out Of Tune CD was pressed in the late 80's.
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pan_Heathen wrote:Hypothesis: Do you know any other CD release licensed to UOF which had been released by its primary label earlier on CD in Europe? UOF had licenses for releases which were released only in the States. So maybe in this case OOT released the Vinyl and sold license to release it on CD to UOF? and some time after OOT also released it on CD? Could this hypothesis be easily proven wrong?
It depends on the release. First example I can think of is Stone's s/t, it was released on CD by Mechanic in 1988 but not until 1989 by Megamania (the original label). As far as Apocalypse goes, well the Out of Tune is not an original pressing either, it was released a year earlier as a private pressing on vinyl only. I've owned every different pressing of this album on both CD and vinyl, the Out of Tune LP says on the back:
DT 277-1
ALSO AVAILABLE ON COMPACT DISC (DT 277-2)
So I think it's safe to say the CD was released at the same time as the LP (1988). The UOF press was released the same year. But the Crash Records LP was a 1987 release, so all others are technically reissues
Maybe the UOF pressing was just supposed to span other European markets and could have been released roughly at the same time.
The date printed on the UOF pressing is 1988 and I think (correct me of I'm wrong) that the date on UOF CDs is always the real date of the issue.
Also the Catalogue number is CDFLAG 23 -while Leprosy has CDFLAG 24, Forbidden Evil CDFLAG 27. So it is safe to assume that the UOF pressing is from 1988. There's still no evidence that the OOT was released earlier
pan_Heathen wrote:There's still no evidence that the OOT was released earlier
No, but does it really matter? Both were released the same year, and both are reissues anyway. So is it really important if one was released a few months before the other?
Not really, I have the UOF version and I'm happy with it. But everybody seems to think that OOT is the "first press" and UOF "a reissue" and i wonder on what grounds do they assume this is the case.
pan_Heathen wrote:Maybe the UOF pressing was just supposed to span other European markets and could have been released roughly at the same time.
That wouldn't really make sense in my opinion. I could understand if perhaps the Out Of Tune press was manufactured in the US for the North American market, but this disc was made in Switzerland.
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