Cerebus - Anyone knows ?
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Cerebus - Anyone knows ?
the titles of the 2 songs on the Cult Metal Classics release (boot) of Too Late To Pray ?
I mean the 2 untitled tracks - track 15 and track 16 ?
http://www.discogs.com/Cerebus-Too-Late ... se/4022669
I mean the 2 untitled tracks - track 15 and track 16 ?
http://www.discogs.com/Cerebus-Too-Late ... se/4022669
Re: Cerebus - Anyone knows ?
Sorry not to answer your question but I am curious - why do you consider the Cerebus CD a boot? Because of what Ann of New Rennaisance said?rumblefist wrote:the titles of the 2 songs on the Cult Metal Classics release (boot) of Too Late To Pray ?
I mean the 2 untitled tracks - track 15 and track 16 ?
http://www.discogs.com/Cerebus-Too-Late ... se/4022669
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Hm...I was surprised, too, seeing this and Phantom mentioned in the NR page as bootlegs. Both don't look/sound like bootlegs.They were also promoted/advertised/sold using legit ways. I was also quite close to the label owner back then and he didn't leave me any shadow of doubt that they are legit. I guess there must have been an agreementl with some band members that their label doesn't accept (as it probably still holds the copy rights).Zdan wrote:
Sorry not to answer your question but I am curious - why do you consider the Cerebus CD a boot? Because of what Ann of New Rennaisance said?
Sorry, for the offtopic, but it seems Rumble create unintentionally an interesting subject to talk about!
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The labels in question do not own the copyrights over the music, they own only the master usage rights over the particular recordings.Priamos wrote:I guess there must have been an agreement with some band members that their label doesn't accept (as it probably still holds the copy rights).
Even if the bands have been duped to sign off their copywrights in the past, there was a major law change in the late 90s which made the absorption of copywrights unlawful, with retroactive effect.
So in order for a re-release to be completely legit, one has to procure permission from both the label (or whoever owns the master recording) for the master usage rights, and from the song writer(s) for the mechanical licensing rights (or pay mechanical licenses through a copyright agency like BMI or ASCAP, etc.). Anything shorter than this is not "100% legit" which ironically is the case with many many current re-releases, with bands usually being at the short end of the stick (I'm not talking about this particular case, but in general).
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No. I have a certain vinyl box with 2 unnamed trax on it. Sometimes trax just remained unnamed.Prowler wrote:Unnamed trax on "official" re-releases do always scream that magic BOOTLEG. No?
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If I understood you correctly: If you have a mastertape (legally obtained), then you can release the music that's on it without asking permission? All you need to do is pay the liscenses thru those agencies?
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Hey, I'm in no way an expert in this, just sharing of what I've learned thus far. For proper and definitive answer to your questions you really need to consult with a qualified entertainment lawyer.
@lox: if you obtain master usage and pay mechanical statutory rates via ascap I do believe you should be all good to go, yes. Of course it would always be better to work directly with the band and have them involved for a better product (liner notes, archive photos, bonuses, etc.) but technically you can do it as described above. This is how re-issue labels like Wounded Bird operate.
That's the purpose of those copyright agencies - to collect royalties and licenses on behalf of the artists/copyright holders. They have a statutory rate which is about 10 cents per song, so if you want to press a 10-track cd in 1000 copies, you would pay roughly $1000 (plus some small processing fees).
Those agencies retain commission fees of up to 50%, so that's why they are quite aggressive and proactive sometimes , although by law you can bypass them and cut a direct deal with the copyright holder if you can find it and he is willing to work with you. Is some cases this is too complicated so it is as well easier to go through the agency (like when you want to put a cover song on your album, and have no idea how to contact whoever wrote it).
And of course this only works if the copyright holder had published his material with those agencies. Some bands never did.
@lox: if you obtain master usage and pay mechanical statutory rates via ascap I do believe you should be all good to go, yes. Of course it would always be better to work directly with the band and have them involved for a better product (liner notes, archive photos, bonuses, etc.) but technically you can do it as described above. This is how re-issue labels like Wounded Bird operate.
That's the purpose of those copyright agencies - to collect royalties and licenses on behalf of the artists/copyright holders. They have a statutory rate which is about 10 cents per song, so if you want to press a 10-track cd in 1000 copies, you would pay roughly $1000 (plus some small processing fees).
Those agencies retain commission fees of up to 50%, so that's why they are quite aggressive and proactive sometimes , although by law you can bypass them and cut a direct deal with the copyright holder if you can find it and he is willing to work with you. Is some cases this is too complicated so it is as well easier to go through the agency (like when you want to put a cover song on your album, and have no idea how to contact whoever wrote it).
And of course this only works if the copyright holder had published his material with those agencies. Some bands never did.
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Right, as if I had a couple of hundred euros left just to ask them few questionsStormspell wrote:For proper and definitive answer to your questions you really need to consult with a qualified entertainment lawyer.
Thanks for the insightful answer, it lightens the fog a bit. There are still some questions left but we leave it at that for now.
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No luck finding the bandmembers thru facebook? I think they are the only ones who could answer your question, I would guess the songs had a title since they were released on a promo tape...
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