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Cleveland Metal LP: SORCERER?

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 7:37 pm
by BloodOfChrist
Hey everyone.
I had previously had a discussion about this on Miskatonic, and I just recently leared a lot more about it, so I figured id make a topic.

A lot of you know the 1983 "Cleveland Metal" LP, and how fucking awesome it is....and you probably know the last band on the comp Sorcerer. They were also on "Clevelands Heavy Metal: Etched In Steel" (presented by Mitch Capka). Ive gotten a lot of questions about them, and thier demos, which I knew next to nothing about.

They did have a 7" in 1980 under a different name, but its a very different style then thier Sorcerer stuff. Its very Pink Floyd-ish and its awesome, but its more very trippy classic rock then the Metal theyd play as Sorcerer.

I knew of thier 1984 and 1985 demos, but I didnt have them and I didnt know anyone who knew anything else about them.

I recently got in touch with Mitch Capka, the man behind Etched In Steel, and he told me he owns the master reels (and the right to release) all the Sorcerer recordings in existence. He said they had a demo in 1982 with songs "just as good, and better, then the ones used on the compilations". He said he's planning on possibly having the stuff released on vinyl in the future, but he doesnt want to give the stuff to anyone before that because it could be bootlegged. So, we'll have to wait.

However, he also said he has a Sorcerer demo from 88 (the year they played an outdoor show w/ SCREAMER, with 19 yaer old Jim Dofka on guitar). This was shortly after the disbanding of the legends MISTREATER, and Curt Leudy, lead vocals, sang for them on the 88 demo! He said he's not sure if he will ever release that stuff, but if he doesnt then he may be more willing to let a select few people hear it...

Also, I just got a new cpy of the Cleveland Metal LP, because this one had the original insert. However...this one is exactly the same except that there is a new band picture and better drawn logo for Sorcerer, both of which Ive never seen ANYWHERE. Im going to try to scan the back of the LP to show everyone, but in the meantime, has anyone else ever seen the picture Im talking about?

This is the well known one, has anyone ever seen one that's different?
Image

The Sorcerer logo on this one is a million times cooler, and way more metal. Ill upload it soon.

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 11:14 pm
by beerandjesus
Hey all,

I hate to be a kill-joy, but I had pretty much the same conversation with Mitch about 4 years ago. At the time, he made it clear to me that he wasn't going to do anything with the demos unless he was able to put the money into re-mastering them (or something like that), and he also wasn't willing to share them unless that happened.

So frankly, while I would love to see that Sorcerer stuff out there, I'm not really holding my breath. Not to disparage Mitch, but he struck me as pretty inflexible on this, and he left me doubting that anyone would ever get to hear those demos unless he wins the lottery.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings. I certainly hope I'm wrong... Mitch did a great job with that Etched in Steel record, that's for damn sure!!

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 11:47 pm
by BloodOfChrist
Fuck...that blows. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens...

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:50 am
by DaN
I'm not at home right now, but spontainiously I don't feel familiar with the SORCERER photo on that scan so maybe mine is the other one. At least mine should have an insert too if my alzheimer hasn't gone in full bloom :?

Too bad about the demos. Did the band sell any copies of them back in the day? Perhaps there's other sources out there..

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 7:03 pm
by doomedplanet
I'll have to second what beerandjesus said, Mitch always came across as stubborn and unflexible so after my 1 dealing with him some years ago I swore I would never even bother to deal with him and scratched him off my list. I hope something happens but my guess is those tapes are doomed to oblivion.

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 7:33 pm
by BloodOfChrist
DaN wrote:I'm not at home right now, but spontainiously I don't feel familiar with the SORCERER photo on that scan so maybe mine is the other one. At least mine should have an insert too if my alzheimer hasn't gone in full bloom :?

Too bad about the demos. Did the band sell any copies of them back in the day? Perhaps there's other sources out there..
There are other sources somewhere....but I havent found one besides Mitch. Apparently no one recorded the show with Screamer...damnit...

Re: Cleveland Metal LP: SORCERER?

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:13 am
by Keir
BloodOfChrist wrote:This is the well known one, has anyone ever seen one that's different?
That's what mine looks like too. I'd be interested to see the other one.

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:14 pm
by christiandiaz
I do not nothing about Sorcerer so I can not do an oppinion :oops:

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:10 pm
by BloodOfChrist
From my copy (note: the logo is so much better!)...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v426/ ... rcerer.jpg

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:29 pm
by DaN
Yup, that's what mine looks like.

Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:11 pm
by BloodOfChrist
I just got a ton of info.

The version that Dan and I have is the first pressing, limited to 1000 copies. Also, Pat Delaney is the only member correctly identified on the lineup!

The version I posted above with the not-as-cool logo was the second pressing from a few months later, limited to 1500 copies. On this pressing Tommy Koncar is the only member correctly identified! Haha...

the 1982 Sorcerer demo tracklist is as follows...
1. Old #7
2. Fugitive
3. Hammerhead
4. Passageways

There is also one other demo with this lineup, and an unreleased demo with this lineup + Curt Luedy of MISTREATER on vocals. That demo was much later, probably around 88 to 89. The other demo is faster and heavier then the first one, bordering on speed/power metal (at least thats what Ive heard).

Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 2:58 pm
by tomas
Can someone upload this compilation, please?
I know I have it somewhere on a cdr but I think I lost it, and I want to hear those amazing Black Death tracks again ...
Thanks!!!

Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:44 pm
by BloodOfChrist
tomas wrote:Can someone upload this compilation, please?
I know I have it somewhere on a cdr but I think I lost it, and I want to hear those amazing Black Death tracks again ...
Thanks!!!
Yeah, I can upload it tommorow. No problem.