Muskelrock 2013

Avenger · Post by **Avenger** » Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:12 pm

xr2m wrote:Here's something I've always wondered about, but this thread is the perfect place to post this. Why do so many people on forums really feel the need to argue and and have the last word just to make themselves feel better about their points of view? Why will some people pathologically argue things just in the lame attempt to convince others of why they can't possibly be right?

Of course it goes on pretty much anywhere on the internet, but if you really think that if you post a million times about how Muskelrock and its supporters aren't on board for the right reasons, that someone willl suddenly react "Wow, I've been wrong all along!" Nope, that will never happen. While I'm not attending Muskelrock myself this year, it sounds pretty fun and like something I'd like to do in the future regardless of the lineup.

I guess this is mostly posted towards Avenger (as most comments have been). Just curious, are you like this in real life, and not just the Internet? If we disagreed on some "cult" record, could you let it go or would you spend all of your time trying to convince me that I'm wrong for not liking it? Because that's what I get from your contributions to this thread, and I'm sure that's what others here are annoyed with.

It takes two or more people for an argument to exist. It's easy to point the finger at a single person but differing opinions do not exist from just one guy. I think keeping the line-up a secret while expecting people to still pay to attend is ridiculous. Others apparently not and we are discussing this on a message board which I'm pretty sure is the intended purpose of such a place.

The internet is the internet and my personal life is just that. Both are entirely separate entities for the most part (minus social media) especially because in my personal life I only know one other person that listens to anything even remotely similar to my taste in music. So this isn’t really an area of discussion for me outside of the internet. Like I said in my previous post, the geographical area in which ones lives has a lot to do with this.

otcmetal · Post by **otcmetal** » Sat Mar 02, 2013 1:32 pm

Avenger wrote:
Luis wrote:Not only am I waiting for a reply to Dark Stranger's comment above me, tell us, Avenger, just who do you think you are to lecture us on the reasons to attend a festival?

Muskelrock's line ups have shown beyond doubt what they stand for and what they will be delivering this year. You do not have to go, that's fine. You do not even have to like the festival or the way it is run, that's also fine. What you could do, however, is keep your mouth shut rather than spew venom all over the place like the sorry piece of ass you are.

The people who run Muskelrock have proven their worth in past editions, as people have been trying to point out to you, they have organised some of the greatest weekends a lot of us have experienced. It was certainly the case for me last year when I attended it for the first time.

I am still unsure whether you mean what you say at all, or are just trying to rile people up, or even if you have ever even attended any kind of event that required you to be out of reach of a computer to immediately pronounce judgement on it (of course, only after every band had played every note of every song). Internet warriors like you are the plague of forums like these, ready to judge but never anywhere to be seen.

In summary: Avenger, get bent.
News flash, this is a public forum. I can say what ever the hell I want. If what I say offends you then do not read it. It's a simply concept really.

You should read your last post there a few times,sir...

Ironhead · Post by **Ironhead** » Sat Mar 02, 2013 1:54 pm

Avenger wrote:
It takes two or more people for an argument to exist. It's easy to point the finger at a single person but differing opinions do not exist from just one guy. I think keeping the line-up a secret while expecting people to still pay to attend is ridiculous. Others apparently not and we are discussing this on a message board which I'm pretty sure is the intended purpose of such a place.

It would only take you not whining about Muskelrock page after page for the arguments not to exist, even if others wouldn't respond there would still be your annoying posts how "EVERYONE ATTENDING MUSKELROCK 2013 IS SO HORRIBLY WRONG AND STUPID BECAUSE I WOULDN'T".
I think I explained the thing about half a year ago already but here I'll go again; Why expecting people to still pay to attend Muskelrock is not ridiculous

They have A LOT of regular goers from previous years who have already been going there year after year regardless of the line-up, just because the festival itself is worth it (this part you don't seem to understand, probably because you have never been to a GOOD festival yourself so I kind of give you that).
Now, it has been getting quickly sold out with more and more people coming each year but they want to keep it compact and rather small like it used to be, with the regular goers who already know each other, adding to the friendly atmosphere (almost hippish, eww). See the problem here?
Keeping the line-up a secret definitely isn't a gimmick to get MORE people interested if that's what you think, it would be stupid for that purpose, yes.
Now what it does is keeping people like you away (okay, also some nice people from far away who might want to attend but don't want to take the risk, but that's the festival organizers' choice and I respect it, it's their festival and they aim for what they want with it.)
The result with all this will most probably be 1500 more or less regulars attending a great festival and having a memorable weekend with PROBABLY good bands playing, and I got to tell you that it's not the same at your local pub on a Friday night with a bunch of other depressed office wankers.

Avenger · Post by **Avenger** » Sat Mar 02, 2013 3:11 pm

Ironhead wrote:
Avenger wrote:
It takes two or more people for an argument to exist. It's easy to point the finger at a single person but differing opinions do not exist from just one guy. I think keeping the line-up a secret while expecting people to still pay to attend is ridiculous. Others apparently not and we are discussing this on a message board which I'm pretty sure is the intended purpose of such a place.
It would only take you not whining about Muskelrock page after page for the arguments not to exist, even if others wouldn't respond there would still be your annoying posts how "EVERYONE ATTENDING MUSKELROCK 2013 IS SO HORRIBLY WRONG AND STUPID BECAUSE I WOULDN'T".
I think I explained the thing about half a year ago already but here I'll go again; Why expecting people to still pay to attend Muskelrock is not ridiculous

They have A LOT of regular goers from previous years who have already been going there year after year regardless of the line-up, just because the festival itself is worth it (this part you don't seem to understand, probably because you have never been to a GOOD festival yourself so I kind of give you that).
Now, it has been getting quickly sold out with more and more people coming each year but they want to keep it compact and rather small like it used to be, with the regular goers who already know each other, adding to the friendly atmosphere (almost hippish, eww). See the problem here?
Keeping the line-up a secret definitely isn't a gimmick to get MORE people interested if that's what you think, it would be stupid for that purpose, yes.
Now what it does is keeping people like you away (okay, also some nice people from far away who might want to attend but don't want to take the risk, but that's the festival organizers' choice and I respect it, it's their festival and they aim for what they want with it.)
The result with all this will most probably be 1500 more or less regulars attending a great festival and having a memorable weekend with PROBABLY good bands playing, and I got to tell you that it's not the same at your local pub on a Friday night with a bunch of other depressed office wankers.

Sorry to inform you that not everything in life is rainbows and butterflies and not everyone shares the same opiinon.

Regarding the rest of your post, I already replied to a similar one:

Avenger wrote:Bottom line here, you guys are supporting a brand. A brand that can do no wrong in your eyes because you are blinded by loyalty. The organizers of said brand are now using a gimmick regarding the most important aspect of the festival and you can't see past that because you are all apparently too true to care.

MEXDefenderOfSteel · Post by **MEXDefenderOfSteel** » Sat Mar 02, 2013 6:43 pm

i understand completely the geographic point of view, I wouldn´t spend a year of savings to travel from Mexico to Sweden without knowing what band I´m going to wacth play,from my point of view is too risky and even stupid,its a shame cause Muskelrock seems very appealing to me...

Also I understand the point of view of the european regular festival atendees, ive been fortunate (...and afterwards very poor) to attend to festivals like KIT,HellFest and Wacken, and its true every festival has a different vibe,drinking and socializing in a festival is by no means any similar to driking in a bar friday night, this is something really hard to explain,but i guess it has to do with experiecing yourself and each others personalities regarding this issues...

that said I will keep attending whenevr I have the chance,underground festivals are really worth it most of the time

Lama · Post by **Lama** » Sun Mar 03, 2013 4:11 pm

MEXDefenderOfSteel wrote:i understand completely the geographic point of view, I wouldn´t spend a year of savings to travel from Mexico to Sweden without knowing what band I´m going to wacth play,from my point of view is too risky and even stupid,its a shame cause Muskelrock seems very appealing to me...

Also I understand the point of view of the european regular festival atendees, ive been fortunate (...and afterwards very poor) to attend to festivals like KIT,HellFest and Wacken, and its true every festival has a different vibe,drinking and socializing in a festival is by no means any similar to driking in a bar friday night, this is something really hard to explain,but i guess it has to do with experiecing yourself and each others personalities regarding this issues...

that said I will keep attending whenevr I have the chance,underground festivals are really worth it most of the time

Words of wisdom.

daniel · Post by **daniel** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:26 pm

Aria are playing:

http://www.aria.ru/show.html

Bane · Post by **Bane** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:53 pm

It's awesome to actually see them confirmed!!

Element0s · Post by **Element0s** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:56 pm

Shiiiiiiiiit... that's fucking wicked

daniel · Post by **daniel** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:03 pm

Hoping that gig on the 23rd might be in Helsinki so I could go see them.

Warepire · Post by **Warepire** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:33 pm

And I have no money to go, darn it!

Stormspell · Post by **Stormspell** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 7:07 am

ARIA are my favorite live band. Saw them for first time in 1987 and have been mesmerized ever since. Although I don't dig them w/o Kipelov and Mavrin/Terentiev so much, they are still going strong.

Мy favorite ARIA concert ever is with the symphonic orchestra at the Green Theatre in 2002 - it is so monumentally EPIC the only thing I can compare it is Poledouris' CONAN soundtrack. Even the conductor got so excited interacting with the audience, he unfortunately ended "stagediving" in a very deep concrete pit... But the orchestra were such professionals didnt even miss a bit. Must have been very devastating seeing the old maestro falling into that deep hole...

Here it is, I hope you guys experience something similar at Muskelrock (not people falling into pits, but epic shows rather, haha):

INTRO (Lost Paradise): http://youtu.be/SdypT5OxsJo

Highway Hero: http://youtu.be/BuPeIqmYr_4

Blood For Blood: http://youtu.be/lFG4v7Mjpyg

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mordred · Post by **mordred** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:43 am

GandALF wrote:ARIA are my favorite live band. Saw them for first time in 1987 and have been mesmerized ever since. Although I don't dig them w/o Kipelov and Mavrin/Terentiev so much, they are still going strong.

Мy favorite ARIA concert ever is with the symphonic orchestra at the Green Theatre in 2002 - it is so monumentally EPIC the only thing I can compare it is Poledouris' CONAN soundtrack. Even the conductor got so excited interacting with the audience, he unfortunately ended "stagediving" in a very deep concrete pit... But the orchestra were such professionals didnt even miss a bit. Must have been very devastating seeing the old maestro falling into that deep hole...

Here it is, I hope you guys experience something similar at Muskelrock (not people falling into pits, but epic shows rather, haha):

INTRO (Lost Paradise): http://youtu.be/SdypT5OxsJo

Highway Hero: http://youtu.be/BuPeIqmYr_4

Blood For Blood: http://youtu.be/lFG4v7Mjpyg

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Sometimes I don't quite get some people's fixation on certain band members. For me, the last two albums Aria did with Kipelov and Terentiev were really dull (and the albums Kipelov went on to release with his new band are yawnfests). Aria on the other hand recruited Berkut and Popov and released the massive Christening by Fire album, certainly the best they had did since Blood for Blood. Now sadly Berkut isn't singing anymore but Zhitnyakov seems to be doing the job with flying colors too.

The 2002 concert you mention is awesome, I have it on dvd.

Oliver/KIT · Post by **Oliver/KIT** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:52 am

is that dvd available anywhere?

Stormspell · Post by **Stormspell** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 11:50 am

I seldom listen to anything post Blood For Blood to be honest. I'm just an old fart i guess

Oli, this live has never been released officially on dvd. It is fan-made from the TV broadcast and can be downloaded from various torrents. I havent seen an actual physical bootleg, but it easily could exist