how is this one sounding?Prowler wrote:
Recent Metal Finds (2012)
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Nightcrawler
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Meh, if anyone wants to throw his rare records after me for such a price then I really don't ask why. I'm realist enough to know that to find a 30 years old record in mint condition is nothing but a wet dream.Khnud wrote:Final price was £10.75 the second time, two bidders. Quite cheap, but the copy wasn't mint.
Know why? Everyone is spending hundreds of $$ for average US Metal 7 inches.NWOBHM has been "out" for quite some time. But I'm sure it'll bounce back at some point.
In case you are speculating for that 39 E copy on ebay then I'd say it's not worth that musically. It's german sounding with NWOBHM-ish solos but a vocalist that sounds unfortunately german too. Not the heaviest stuff, but a few songs are quite nice. The guitarist was talented though ...Nightcrawler wrote:how is this one sounding?Prowler wrote:
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Everyone? Hardly, there are perhaps 10-15 people in total bidding on most, if not all the items. Thing is, some of them have very deep pockets.Prowler wrote:Know why? Everyone is spending hundreds of $$ for average US Metal 7 inches.
Oh, and don't get me wrong, I don't mind. People ignoring nwobhm made me win this for example.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/110880574230
Never attribute to malice, that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
How many in depth collectors are out there do you think?Khnud wrote:Everyone? Hardly, there are perhaps 10-15 people in total bidding on most, if not all the items. Thing is, some of them have very deep pockets.Prowler wrote:Know why? Everyone is spending hundreds of $$ for average US Metal 7 inches.
Most do just have a pretty small collection (less than 500 records) with only expensive records and then there are those with huge collections of all kinds of Metal buying each and everything and sometimes the price doesn't even matter. When I hear sound clips of most of the ebay auctions and then see them selling for 50-200 $ I sometimes really wonder WHY. But it's thankfully not my money ...
Steal!Oh, and don't get me wrong, I don't mind. People ignoring nwobhm made me win this for example.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/110880574230
But due to that obscure category. The Requiem 7" has a price loss of almost 70 GBP since last year when that guy started selling his copies. Last copy sold was for 11 GBP!!! And they looked like new/unplayed. I bought one too early for a cool price. Don't know where he got it from ...
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nightsblood
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Nice buy Kristian!
Requiem- copies of that thing are all over the place in recent years, so it's no surprise that it doesn't sell very high any more. Seriously, I see at least 1 copy a month listed on ebay. Once upon a time it was pretty rare, but not anymore.
Re: US singles- Kristian's right, there are very few people interested in them right now, and several of them are the 'rich' collectors whoa already have most everything else, so they're willing and able to spend big on them. In the future, some of the current 'big money' items will come down to sane prices, and some of the cheap items will go up if/when more people get interested in them.
Re: 'quality' of US singles- once again, that's completely subjective. One person hears a song and loves it, the next person hears it and hates it. Personally I wouldn't pay $10 for the Phoenix Rising EP; I think it has 1 good song and the rest are junk. But that's just my opinion; it doesn't affect whether others like it. Prowler likes it and got it cheap, so that's cool. No need to say things like, "I thought that record sounded lame so it's ridiculous that someone paid a lot for it". I think the Beatles suck but people pay crazy money for their records every day; they love them, I don't, and that's cool- to each his own.
Re: US singles In, NWOBHM singles Out: you have to remember that some people have been collecting NWOBHM since at least the early 90s, so folks have had 20 years to track down the records they want. On the other hand, most people only started paying attention to US singles within the past 5 years. And since it's been 25-30 years since these singles were made, it's less likely they'll show up in quantity, so many of them are gonna be pretty hard to get.
Collectors in all hobbies tend to be drawn to the big ticket, hard-to-find, 'mystery' items. We all know SATAN and HOLLOW GROUND at this point, but we don't know much about METAL MERCHANTS or WITCH, so they're gonna get more attention now. 20 years from now they'll be old hat and we'll all be obsessing over the lost recordings of PSYCHO-PHALLIC AARDVARK LOVE and R^G#.
Requiem- copies of that thing are all over the place in recent years, so it's no surprise that it doesn't sell very high any more. Seriously, I see at least 1 copy a month listed on ebay. Once upon a time it was pretty rare, but not anymore.
Re: US singles- Kristian's right, there are very few people interested in them right now, and several of them are the 'rich' collectors whoa already have most everything else, so they're willing and able to spend big on them. In the future, some of the current 'big money' items will come down to sane prices, and some of the cheap items will go up if/when more people get interested in them.
Re: 'quality' of US singles- once again, that's completely subjective. One person hears a song and loves it, the next person hears it and hates it. Personally I wouldn't pay $10 for the Phoenix Rising EP; I think it has 1 good song and the rest are junk. But that's just my opinion; it doesn't affect whether others like it. Prowler likes it and got it cheap, so that's cool. No need to say things like, "I thought that record sounded lame so it's ridiculous that someone paid a lot for it". I think the Beatles suck but people pay crazy money for their records every day; they love them, I don't, and that's cool- to each his own.
Re: US singles In, NWOBHM singles Out: you have to remember that some people have been collecting NWOBHM since at least the early 90s, so folks have had 20 years to track down the records they want. On the other hand, most people only started paying attention to US singles within the past 5 years. And since it's been 25-30 years since these singles were made, it's less likely they'll show up in quantity, so many of them are gonna be pretty hard to get.
Collectors in all hobbies tend to be drawn to the big ticket, hard-to-find, 'mystery' items. We all know SATAN and HOLLOW GROUND at this point, but we don't know much about METAL MERCHANTS or WITCH, so they're gonna get more attention now. 20 years from now they'll be old hat and we'll all be obsessing over the lost recordings of PSYCHO-PHALLIC AARDVARK LOVE and R^G#.
"I'm sorry Sam, we had real chemistry. But like a monkey on the sun, our love was too hot to live"
-Becky
-Becky
But on the other hand I've also heard several rumors that the Metal Merchants vinyl isn't a smoker either. If it would be anything worth the price or hot Metal then it's almost sure one of the rich owners would have mentioned what treasure he bought there just in case if noone knows that you own that jewel of steel you won't reach the next step on the staircase to collectors glory. But have you heard anyone saying that? Same case for Witch btw. ...
Btw, I never said I liked the Phoenix Rising that much but 10 Pound are 10 Pound ... if I buy a bottle of booze or a Phoenix Rising MLP it really doesn't matters.
Btw, I never said I liked the Phoenix Rising that much but 10 Pound are 10 Pound ... if I buy a bottle of booze or a Phoenix Rising MLP it really doesn't matters.
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nightsblood
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Prowler- well, 'good', 'rare', and 'expensive' have never correlated all that well 
IMO the best metal album of all time is 'keeper of the 7 keys pt 1' and that can be had for < $20 and be found any day of the week. And no, I've never heard anyone say Witch or MM is very good musically.
Keep in mind that not every collector wants to show off their collection. Yes, there are a lot of collectors that want to make others envious and try to feed their ego by saying "my collection is bigger/better than yours". But there are also collectors who DON'T want others to know what they own. There are likely some rare records out there that most people would consider stone-cold killers if they ever get to hear them, but the 1-2 people who own them right now keep their mouths shut b/c they do not want everyone knowing what they have. Reasons for this vary, from wanting to keep the 'hidden treasure' all to themself, to not wanting people badgering you to tell them about it/post files of it, to just wanting their privacy. I know of at least 3-4 collectors with really nice collections who never 'broadcast' what they own.
IMO the best metal album of all time is 'keeper of the 7 keys pt 1' and that can be had for < $20 and be found any day of the week. And no, I've never heard anyone say Witch or MM is very good musically.Keep in mind that not every collector wants to show off their collection. Yes, there are a lot of collectors that want to make others envious and try to feed their ego by saying "my collection is bigger/better than yours". But there are also collectors who DON'T want others to know what they own. There are likely some rare records out there that most people would consider stone-cold killers if they ever get to hear them, but the 1-2 people who own them right now keep their mouths shut b/c they do not want everyone knowing what they have. Reasons for this vary, from wanting to keep the 'hidden treasure' all to themself, to not wanting people badgering you to tell them about it/post files of it, to just wanting their privacy. I know of at least 3-4 collectors with really nice collections who never 'broadcast' what they own.
"I'm sorry Sam, we had real chemistry. But like a monkey on the sun, our love was too hot to live"
-Becky
-Becky
BUT that's something completely new for me. I know about and understand the filesharing within "the chosen ones" and the rippers don't want to share in the www etc. but I do recieve mails all the time where friends/collectors telling me what they've just "robbed" and I myself am doing the same because it's like a little (friendly) war to make the other guy's day when getting him totally pissed off due to your latest purchase. It's like a penis contest you know? 
And personally I don't understand why someone is keeping his mouth shut when some ultra rare record is great (which mostly isn't) because he does not need to say he owns the record. "I have heard this record" is a sentence too and noone will ever know that he possesses that piece. When people keep the mouth shut it in 99,99 % of the cases then that record is ultra crappy sounding. Fortunately someone has posted Witch on youtube some time ago otherwise I'd prohably would have got huge trouble with my wife.
And personally I don't understand why someone is keeping his mouth shut when some ultra rare record is great (which mostly isn't) because he does not need to say he owns the record. "I have heard this record" is a sentence too and noone will ever know that he possesses that piece. When people keep the mouth shut it in 99,99 % of the cases then that record is ultra crappy sounding. Fortunately someone has posted Witch on youtube some time ago otherwise I'd prohably would have got huge trouble with my wife.
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emperor.zola
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since my last post here (probably months ago) I got these jewels:
Deafen - Deafen
Sax Pijak - Valka Nervu
Death Squad - Into the Crypt
Protector - Urm the Mad
Inquisitor - Walpurgis
Blood Feast / Kublai Khan
No Return - Psychological Torment
Törr - Institut Klinicke Smrti
ADX - Suprematie / La Terreur
Exumer - Rising from the Sea
Apocalypse - Faithless
Sil Khannaz - Conception of Madness
Siax - Inquisition
Terminator - Probability of Doom
Deafen - Deafen
Sax Pijak - Valka Nervu
Death Squad - Into the Crypt
Protector - Urm the Mad
Inquisitor - Walpurgis
Blood Feast / Kublai Khan
No Return - Psychological Torment
Törr - Institut Klinicke Smrti
ADX - Suprematie / La Terreur
Exumer - Rising from the Sea
Apocalypse - Faithless
Sil Khannaz - Conception of Madness
Siax - Inquisition
Terminator - Probability of Doom
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nightsblood
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Prowler- Well as I said, some folks want the record that no one else even knows about. They want the secret thing, not the well-known thing. Whether it sounds 'good' or 'bad' is secondary, as well as completely subjective- I'm sure there are people out there who think Witch sounds awesome, but you and I don't care for it.
I think some oldschool collectors just aren't interested in the internet/posting stuff period. Let's face it, the web tends to be full of assholes, newbies, and poseurs who aren't worth the bother, and after awhile you run out of things to say. Look at how quiet the Poisonoise forum has become.
I suspect there are plenty of unknown records out there that most people would say are good musically. I don't think you can really assign a % though since 'good' is just too subjective. Many people would say Militia 'the sybling' is one of the really good high-dollar metal records, but I don't really care for it. I like the Liquid Earth 12" a lot, but some folks on this site hate it. So do those 2 records count as part of your 99.99% of crappy rare metal records or your 0.01% of good rare metal records? Answer: it completely depends on whether YOU like them or not
My bottom line is always this: get the records YOU like on the format YOU want for a price that YOU are comfortable paying, and don't worry about whether your collection is bigger or has more rarities than other people's collections- penis contests are for insecure blokes who just wanna scope out other guys' junk
I think some oldschool collectors just aren't interested in the internet/posting stuff period. Let's face it, the web tends to be full of assholes, newbies, and poseurs who aren't worth the bother, and after awhile you run out of things to say. Look at how quiet the Poisonoise forum has become.
I suspect there are plenty of unknown records out there that most people would say are good musically. I don't think you can really assign a % though since 'good' is just too subjective. Many people would say Militia 'the sybling' is one of the really good high-dollar metal records, but I don't really care for it. I like the Liquid Earth 12" a lot, but some folks on this site hate it. So do those 2 records count as part of your 99.99% of crappy rare metal records or your 0.01% of good rare metal records? Answer: it completely depends on whether YOU like them or not
My bottom line is always this: get the records YOU like on the format YOU want for a price that YOU are comfortable paying, and don't worry about whether your collection is bigger or has more rarities than other people's collections- penis contests are for insecure blokes who just wanna scope out other guys' junk
"I'm sorry Sam, we had real chemistry. But like a monkey on the sun, our love was too hot to live"
-Becky
-Becky
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My bottom line is always this: get the records YOU like on the format YOU want for a price that YOU are comfortable paying, and don't worry about whether your collection is bigger or has more rarities than other people's collections- penis contests are for insecure blokes who just wanna scope out other guys' junk
Wrote something similar myself but I deleted instantly, as I'm not interested in "raging a new war" against collectors. I already made my point in the "metalheads vs collectors" thread.
