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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 9:40 pm
by Lama
Why does it take so long before one mentions the legendary WINTER?!!! "Into Darkness" must be one of the greatest doom/death-albums ever, if not THE best!!!!
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 9:53 pm
by Shadow Kingdom
Lama wrote:Why does it take so long before one mentions the legendary WINTER?
Because he's asking about "true doom" and not "death doom"...???
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 10:03 pm
by Cochino
Yeah, I mentioned Mental Funeral because I feel that sometimes sounds like classic Doom but Winter is just slow paced Death in my opinion.
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 10:23 pm
by Lama
Damn, you guys are difficult...
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 10:44 pm
by Cochino
Yeah, I fucked it up by mentioning Autopsy. Just ignore it and go ahead with the original subject of the thread.
Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:22 am
by Black Axe
Lama wrote:Damn, you guys are difficult...
No, you just don't get it.
If you want true doom with harsh vocals check out Dream Death!
Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:01 pm
by Lama
Oh yes I'm getting it...just was confused because someone started talking about the relationship between 'true doom' and Autopsy. Nevermind...
So now the discussion is about 'true doom with harsh vocals'? So how 'harsh' the vocals must be to fit in that category?
Dream Death is fantastic though!
Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:45 pm
by Mr Nuke
Shadow Kingdom wrote:Lama wrote:Why does it take so long before one mentions the legendary WINTER?
Because he's asking about "true doom" and not "death doom"...???
Yet WINTER kills 95% of so-called "True Doom" bands (and I like THE OBSESSED and some "True Doom" bands a lot).
Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:31 am
by Avenger
Black Axe wrote:Lama wrote:Damn, you guys are difficult...
No, you just don't get it.
If you want true doom with harsh vocals check out Dream Death!
Eh, that's another quite borderline band in my opinion.
Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:26 am
by Black Axe
Avenger wrote:Black Axe wrote:Lama wrote:Damn, you guys are difficult...
No, you just don't get it.
If you want true doom with harsh vocals check out Dream Death!
Eh, that's another quite borderline band in my opinion.
Really, you don't hear masses of doom metal riffing there? If the last demo doesn't ring pure true doom to you, you should go see an ear doctor.
Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:51 pm
by GJ
Aaaah... I understand nothing!
So what are the necessary ingredients that makes music ((Pure)True) Doom Metal?
What I need is some kind of disposition of what is allowed and what is not regarding tonality (scales), guitar sound, lyrics (general styles, subjects and attitude towards them), vocal character, rythmical patterns, pace and so on...
Or even better - forget it!
Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:15 pm
by Lama
My thoughts exactly...this thread is going nowhere.
Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:30 pm
by 'pataphysicien
Avenger wrote:Black Axe wrote:Lama wrote:Damn, you guys are difficult...
No, you just don't get it.
If you want true doom with harsh vocals check out Dream Death!
Eh, that's another quite borderline band in my opinion.
I agree. mentioned here only because the true doom clique likes it, and because of Penance obviously (truer doom is hard to find - or a heavier band for that matter). same goes for a number of other bands. were it not for some opinion leaders pushing the definitions around their favourite bands (often it's enough to be a friend of some opinion leaders to have your band included) we wouldn't bother so much with that term.
on the other hand I love Dream Death to death (um sorry for that one) and as many others I consider myself the absolute authority on True Doom (tm). on another day I'd probably flame someone for not mentioning them in a True Doom thread. any questions?
Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 2:28 am
by nightsblood
For those who feel confused about what True Doom is, well, that's why I started this thread
WINTER is a very ccool band IMO and they're exactly the type of band that made me start this thread. Personally, I don't consider them 'true doom' but rather slow death/maybe funeral doom (I have trouble making a distinction between those two styles, maybe there isn't one). However, I seem to see more and more reviews and posts that proclaim bands like WINTER or Reverend Bizarre to be "true doom", "what Doom Metal is really all about", "REAL Doom", etc etc.
I'm now wondering.if there's a 'generation gap' among Doom fans. Older fans like myself may consider bands like Vitus, Witchfinder General, and Candlemass 'true doom', but maybe younger/newer fans consider true doom to be stuff like Sun O))), Electric Wizard, Rev Bizzzare, funeral doom, etc.
Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 2:57 am
by Cochino
Wow, I've just seen Paul Chain wasn't mentioned. Some of my favorite Doom songs are his, although I don't like every single thing I've heard from him (I Remember A Black Mass might be the best Doom song ever).