TALES OF MEDUSA and their wicked ways..

daniel · Post by **daniel** » Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:42 pm

I do not think ToM are exposing how rotten the underground is at all. Please explain what they have exposed about me, because I am not ashamed of my attitude or conduct in any way, I am honest about things; I do not pretend to like certain things because it is right, I do not try to belong to any scene, I do not change my opinion because it may offend someone, I love metal and I have nothing to hide any more, I've surely been a cunt many times in the past, but that's in the past now. I conducted an 'experiment' over at Hellride in the form of a few reviews, and my point was proven perfectly, the commotion which followed was so fucking predictable, and THAT showed how full of shit some people are, but no one got it. People enjoy patting each other on the back, and calling a person brother because they pretend to share the same views, and gang up on people who dare differ in any way, no matter that they actually have more in common than the fakes the welcome. The 'underground' wants to uphold an illusion of unity at the cost of honesty, THAT is fucked up, that has nothing to do with pure steel, and then others are called sheep, hah.

Iordan, ok, I'll take a dub of the tape and LP off you, covering the postage and tape costs, and I will send you a copy of our next demo when it is finished.

I have written ToM again, I talked about me writing last year and about rather having a discussion than simply forwarding my address hoping to receive something. Let's see if they reply, I hope so. Now, if someone writes the band showing genuine interest, and they are conducting this grand experiment, how are they showing how rotten the underground is by ignoring common metal heads? How are they proving how rotten the underground is by sending tapes to the same people who praise them among themselves? How is any negative reaction completely unfounded?

ION BRITTON · Post by **ION BRITTON** » Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:06 pm

This was included in of their replies:

"The tape is just a rehearsal so you're not really missing out on much"

I presume it's one more reason they didn't release enough copies. Honestly, i can't say i follow their way of thinking.

ION BRITTON · Post by **ION BRITTON** » Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:15 pm

stormspell wrote:I'm not going to rip anything to mp3 coz I don't want to bear the moral burden when the thing pop all over the net

May i ask something? If one hasn't got the material directly from the band, but he found it because someone gave it to him or because he made a trade for it, is it morally correct to rip some mp3s and spread them on the internet? Or is that one also disrespectful to the band?

Helm · Post by **Helm** » Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:19 pm

I wouldn't call it morally correct or respectful to go against the wishes of the band once you know what they are regardless of how the material came into your possession.

ION BRITTON · Post by **ION BRITTON** » Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:44 pm

No, forget about knowing what the band is about. Assume that one is an mp3 trader who doesn't know everything about the newer bands, their releases or their attitude. He found a list with a title called Tales of Medusa - Private 7'', Private LP or something and he was interested in it and so he traded some of his mp3s for it. I don't see why he shouldn't upload them if he wants to. I don't see a law anywhere that says No ToM mp3s anywhere on the internet please, regardless of you got them.
On the other case, assume that one paid some money or traded some items in order to get ToM stuff. He hasn't received anything for free like the first 50 people who got that stuff, he paid for it. Why he shouldn't he share it if he wishes to?
And finally, you can't be sure that all those tons of mp3s that are circulating are not against each band's wishes. I'm pretty sure that many bands wouldn't like to see their brand new album being uploaded a week after its release, but still most of us (myself included) download the whole thing "to check out if its worth the money", and even if we suspect (or even know for sure) it's not morally correct on some cases, we continue to do it. And so, another endless mp3 discussion begins...

MassOfKthulu · Post by **MassOfKthulu** » Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:56 pm

I dont get this,i downloaded the triumphant serenade LP months ago off dc++ i think,so it cant be that rare if i found it online so easily?
as for the band's attitude,they are indevertently doing what small new labels are doing on purpose,making sure a released product gets bought on grounds of its imminent rarity value instead of the music contained.And that's understandable,considering most metal comin out this days is simply put mediocre,if not downright detestable.
Last week Andi Preisig bought this for almost 250 euro on ebay,from a member of Twisted Tower Dire i think?
But i see their promotion plan worked,we're all here talking about them.Vinyl still makes things happen.

ION BRITTON · Post by **ION BRITTON** » Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:11 pm

MassOfKthulu wrote: Last week Andi Preisig bought this for almost 250 euro on ebay,from a member of Twisted Tower Dire i think?

That probably means two things a) if the dude got the LP from the band, he sold a gift b) he actually made more money than ToM ever made from all their releases. I wonder what is ToM's opinion on this unlucky incident.

Dirty Rocker · Post by **Dirty Rocker** » Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:57 pm

I just heard the song Dark Age by this band, and it was bloody amazing, it totally blew me away.. Holy fuck.

Helm · Post by **Helm** » Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:57 pm

And finally, you can't be sure that all those tons of mp3s that are circulating are not against each band's wishes. I'm pretty sure that many bands wouldn't like to see their brand new album being uploaded a week after its release, but still most of us (myself included) download the whole thing "to check out if its worth the money", and even if we suspect (or even know for sure) it's not morally correct on some cases, we continue to do it. And so, another endless mp3 discussion begins...

I can't be sure and honestly I don't care to be sure most of the time because if a record is out as product then I assume the band would rather someone listen to them than not listen to them. This is the process of comodification of art. If you want to sell your art to people then it's out of your hands to say 'hey, you're not allowed to listen to this!!' to anyone.

But if something is not meant to be a product on any level (and then we consider the gift mentality) I will not download it or pursue any way to experience it, it is not for me, I am excluded from the process -- that is, unless I want to befriend the band and go through the channel they have created for exactly this sort of thing. That there are not many cases of this mentality doesn't mean I can just lump the few that are there with everybody else making product. For example, the few times I've found my own music on 'free mp3s' sites and the like I've been pretty distraught to tell you the truth.

I can live with it because there's all these other bands and music that I can peruse that includes me, I don't have to listen to every nice riff in the universe. I can't understand the mentality of whomever would want to upset a personal process such as this, but I try.

ION BRITTON · Post by **ION BRITTON** » Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:14 pm

Helm wrote: I don't have to listen to every nice riff in the universe

I don't have to either, believe me. I CAN die by some masterpieces poorer. And as i told you, i don't really care if ToM release the next ultimate masterpiece of Heavy Metal, their attitude doesn't convince me for its purity, i find their ways really arrogant, the whole thing is so insulting and different to my views that the actual quality of the music is of much lesser importance.

doomedplanet · Post by **doomedplanet** » Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:43 pm

I think this might be the band DARK AGE that have a song called "Tales of Medusa" that you heard.

Dirty Rocker wrote:I just heard the song Dark Age by this band, and it was bloody amazing, it totally blew me away.. Holy fuck.

by the way, anyone that wants to hear this band can quite easily hear their music if they ask someone to make them a dub or whatever. I would make this offer but I'm too busy at the time with other stresses, but if in the new years someone needs a copy to hear and are not already satisfied, I could probably help them then.

Dirty Rocker · Post by **Dirty Rocker** » Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:52 pm

doomedplanet wrote:I think this might be the band DARK AGE that have a song called "Tales of Medusa" that you heard.
Dirty Rocker wrote:I just heard the song Dark Age by this band, and it was bloody amazing, it totally blew me away.. Holy fuck.
by the way, anyone that wants to hear this band can quite easily hear their music if they ask someone to make them a dub or whatever. I would make this offer but I'm too busy at the time with other stresses, but if in the new years someone needs a copy to hear and are not already satisfied, I could probably help them then.

Oh, didnät see that one coming, thanks for the info!

Anyway, Tales of Medusa seems like a interesting band for sure! Mercyful fate-influences etc I have heard?

Stormspell · Post by **Stormspell** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 12:00 am

ION BRITTON wrote:May i ask something? If one hasn't got the material directly from the band, but he found it because someone gave it to him or because he made a trade for it, is it morally correct to rip some mp3s and spread them on the internet? Or is that one also disrespectful to the band?

This is not the point. What matters to me is that the band prefer to keep their music in analog format and I'm not the one that will rip it to mp3. That's all

Avenger · Post by **Avenger** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:23 am

anthares wrote:they said its cheaper to mail in US than in Canada.

That's true.

I know first hand.

ION BRITTON · Post by **ION BRITTON** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:16 am

stormspell wrote:
ION BRITTON wrote:May i ask something? If one hasn't got the material directly from the band, but he found it because someone gave it to him or because he made a trade for it, is it morally correct to rip some mp3s and spread them on the internet? Or is that one also disrespectful to the band?
This is not the point. What matters to me is that the band prefer to keep their music in analog format and I'm not the one that will rip it to mp3. That's all

Yes, but not everybody is obliged to know what the band's attitude is or communicate with them to find out about it if he ever comes across some ToM material in his life (not talking about getting it as a gift from the band).