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Sovdat: regarding why some discs are now selling for $200 when they used to be $20, there are several possible reasons. First, word may have finally gotten out about a particular album. Maybe they were featured on a compilation reissue (e.g., the 'obscue metal gems' series), or on a popular downloading site, or whatever. Values for some records jump after a larger audience becomes aware of the album. Good examples would be Salems Wych and Slauter Xstroyes- they both climbed in value after more people got to hear 'em via reissues.
Another point is that the collector market seems to have expanded a lot in the last 4-5 years, so you have more people trying to obtain ithe items.
Also worth noting is that some items 'cool off' after awhile. For a time people pay big bucks, but then they realize it's not as rare as once thought, or some copies come out of a warehouse and flood the market (e.g., X-Wild's 'savage land' 1-2 years ago), or most folks that want a copy get one.

I think there are also 'fads' in collecting where certain items, once they are 'known' for awhile, becomoe less attractive and dip in value. For example, the Aurora 7" is good musically and has always been rare, but collectors have known about it for so long that it's lost its mystique. COllectors often want to 'trump' other collectors by having something rarer/more obscure, and after awhile certain items just don't 'wow' the audience like they used to. "Aurora? Yawn, been there, heard that. Ooo! who's got a copy of Underdog or Snatch Back?!!". This obviously doesn't happen to all albums, but I thnk it affects some.

There's also probably a whole new wave of thrash fans who are starting to collect these albums not really knowing what they are worth & setting the current precedent on some of these previously affordable CD's???

Could be. There's no popsike for cds (and it has its flaws even for vinyl pricing) and even experienced collectors like folks on this board often need a price check for some items. New collectors often have lots of enthusiasm and little information to go on, which could result in blowing up the price sometimes.

sovdat wrote:Yes, 3 CDs are in that category:
Sanctum
Axiom
ADX

I thought so.

Well, if you ever need some quick cash, I could use the first two.

Even those Devastation & Wolf Spider auctions look very sane compared to this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0253714758
(Although I believe that one guy from USA said that he sold his for even $20 more than this one ... )!

sovdat wrote:Even those Devastation & Wolf Spider auctions look very sane compared to this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0253714758
(Although I believe that one guy from USA said that he sold his for even $20 more than this one ... )!

Paying that kind of money for something that is READILY available is just stupid, in my opinion. Who cares if it's a "rare voice-over promo"? You can get the stupid album at Wal-Mart for crying out loud!

Isn't paying a lot of money for a promo of something that is available the same as paying a lot of money for a first press CD of something that is available as a reissue with bonustracks etc...

humus wrote:Isn't paying a lot of money for a promo of something that is available the same as paying a lot of money for a first press CD of something that is available as a reissue with bonustracks etc...

Hence I never pay a lot for first presses. Most I ever shelled for a cd was around $75, and that one has never (and probably will never) seen a reissue. If I can't score it for pretty cheap, or nab it in trade, then I'll wait patiently until I can.

humus wrote:Isn't paying a lot of money for a promo of something that is available the same as paying a lot of money for a first press CD of something that is available as a reissue with bonustracks etc...

Hardly, because when I listen to a CD from start to finish I don't want shitty bonus tracks that weren't good enough to be put on the CD to begin with ruining the listening experience either at the end or throughout the CD.

There's a reason why bonus tracks are "bonus tracks" to begin with...

I prefer non-remastered, original track lists where the songs are actually finished and have the same level of production.

I mean is it really so hard to do what Amulance did and release a CD specifically for Demo/Bonus Track material?

Not to mention, having a copy of the album on the original record label…

Re-issues only ever make their way into my collection if they have never been previously released on CD format.

I might bid on Tyrant, It's not too expensive yet considering what it use to cost

Bonus tracks are indeed nice in a way. Like for instance the Brocas Helm demo tracks on the Eat Metal reissues. But it does take away a little bit of the charm of the 8 track record it used to was.
But if the demo tracks are good, I don't care that much. But they shouldn't be mixed in the original tracklist. I only can think of 1 example where that turned out good: Flaming Metal System on the Iron Glory reissue of Crystal Logic.

What I do hate is lousy bonus tracks, like the bootleg quality live song on Skeptics Apocalypse (1998 reissue I believe, don't have it anymore). Adds nothing and takes away the charm completely.

I don't really go for originals because there's no bonus tracks, although in many cases they indeed suck ass (those live tracks on Idolatry, Painkiller, ... what were they thinking!?). I just prefer having the real, original thing instead of a reissue, simple as that ...

Levi wrote:I only can think of 1 example where that turned out good: Flaming Metal System on the Iron Glory reissue of Crystal Logic.

I can't! How could you? The production of FMS is completely different to the album tracks. They could have put it at the end instead - or even better put it on a bonus disc or making it an independent release as a CD-single.

The feeling that bonus tracks are taking away from the original album I already get from CD's just the way they look compared to vinyl the cover art shrunk to 1/4 of it's original size with this crappy plastic surrounding it. If you want the original with original track listing I'd say always go the vinyl. I usually buy CD's rather than the vinyls if it's a new release of if it's some kidn of special anthology or version with bonus tracks. The only reason I'd fork out lots of money for a CD is if it's only available on CD and it hasn't been re-issued.

I do respect CD collecting if that's what makes people happy, I respect collecting full stop it's such a cool thing. It may be a bit nerdy but really what is a nerd? they're pretty cool .

GJ wrote:

Levi wrote:I only can think of 1 example where that turned out good: Flaming Metal System on the Iron Glory reissue of Crystal Logic.

I can't! How could you? The production of FMS is completely different to the album tracks. They could have put it at the end instead - or even better put it on a bonus disc or making it an independent release as a CD-single.

Probably has to do with the fact that I first heard the album as the reissue cd and got the vinyl later on. So I always found it pretty fitting (don't think the difference in production is that big) and I miss it when putting on the vinyl version