Slayer-Reign in Blood is ...

Black Axe · Post by **Black Axe** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:15 am

It's been fun
But now you die

Die!

mordred · Post by **mordred** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:15 am

Korgüll · Post by **Korgüll** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:40 pm

Great album, by a once classic band!

Brings back memories when listening to it once a year!

Hell Awaits is slightly better for me as I used to listen to it the most, but I love RiB a lot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From what I've been reading in this topic it almost seems 'not cool' to like Reign In Blood???!

sovdat · Post by **sovdat** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:16 pm

Not as good as South of Heaven or Seasons in the Abyss, but still a classic, and yeah, still better than 99,99% of the rest that came out back in '86 or in years to come. Slayer were improving themselves with each album, both music-wise and lyric-wise. IMO their finest moment came in '88 with South of Heaven, with some of the best written lyrics in metal ever, although I personally like Seasons more.

Avenger wrote: I think that quite possibly a few hundred other Thrash albums could have been just as "influential" had they been released in 1986, were as highly marketed and become as popular as "Reign In Blood".

Yes, had they been released in '86 - but they weren't. It takes some thought to produce something on your own, but it doesn't take much to re-do something someone else did it the past. Many bands that appeared in the scene during the late 80s speed/thrash explosion just copied the formula of the bands that were around before, and they didn't add much, if any, of their own. Also saying that Reign in Blood was highly marketed is nonsense - it didn't even get any radio play!

Korgüll wrote: From what I've been reading in this topic it almost seems 'not cool' to like Reign In Blood???!

Yeah, it's almost as embarassing as saying that Master of Puppets is your favorite Metallica album. Or that you even like Metallica. Or that you ever did.

Post by **DaN** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:49 pm

sovdat wrote:
Korgüll wrote: From what I've been reading in this topic it almost seems 'not cool' to like Reign In Blood???!
Yeah, it's almost as embarassing as saying that Master of Puppets is your favorite Metallica album.

...or "The Number Of The Beast" your fave Maiden platter

On RiB: It's my 2nd fave after SNM. The debut had the best songs, RiB the best production. That's actually the one part of the hype surrounding the album that I agree with 100% - the sound devastates just about anything before or after. It's main weakness are the anonymous filler songs.

sovdat wrote:
Avenger wrote: I think that quite possibly a few hundred other Thrash albums could have been just as "influential" had they been released in 1986, were as highly marketed and become as popular as "Reign In Blood".
Yes, had they been released in '86 - but they weren't. It takes some thought to produce something on your own, but it doesn't take much to re-do something someone else did it the past. Many bands that appeared in the scene during the late 80s speed/thrash explosion just copied the formula of the bands that were around before, and they didn't add much, if any, of their own. Also saying that Reign in Blood was highly marketed is nonsense - it didn't even get any radio play!

I mostly agree with sovdat here. For instance I think INFERNAL MÄJESTY's debut tops anything Slayer ever did, but that album just wouldn't have happened if it weren't for Slayer showing the way, and as good as IM were, they clearly didn't have 5 killer albums in them like Slayer (or any major, successful classic act for that matter..)

Another thing that I tend to blame RiB for is how many underground bands who started out great and fairly original later came to copy the RiB-sound too much and lost their identity in the process.

The Erlking · Post by **The Erlking** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:53 pm

I don't like Metallica very much and I think Pleasure To Kill from '86 is way better than Reign In Blood. Cool or not, I can't change the way I feel.

mordred · Post by **mordred** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:51 pm

Korgüll wrote:From what I've been reading in this topic it almost seems 'not cool' to like Reign In Blood???!

Of course it isn't! We're educated and experienced elitists whose shit smell finer than that of average metalheads and thus we are way "above" liking such an obviously "commercial" album as Reign in Blood!

GJ · Post by GJ » Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:32 pm

I think I like Show no Mercy, but generally I tend not to buy that album so I'll probably never know...

DMR · Post by **DMR** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:43 pm

The Erlking wrote:I don't like Metallica very much and I think Pleasure To Kill from '86 is way better than Reign In Blood. Cool or not, I can't change the way I feel.

I agree 100%.

big mouth · Post by **big mouth** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:28 pm

If they hadn't written "SNM" and "HTC" ESPECIALLY plus "Hell Awaits" it would have been a great album BUT comparing to those REAL classics, it'sq just good....
Too much Hardcore injected and not as Metal as before.

MEXDefenderOfSteel · Post by **MEXDefenderOfSteel** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:29 pm

mordred wrote:
Korgüll wrote:From what I've been reading in this topic it almost seems 'not cool' to like Reign In Blood???!
Of course it isn't! We're educated and experienced elitists whose shit smell finer than that of average metalheads and thus we are way "above" liking such an obviously "commercial" album as Reign in Blood!

haha thats what some of my friends tell me when i mention something about the forum

was Rick Rubin the producer on the albums before RiB? i dont remember that, and if not, maybe thats part of the reason why RiB has a different sound (not entending "different" must be bad)

Korgüll · Post by **Korgüll** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:34 pm

I do remember when first hearing 'Altars Of Madness' a few years later & thinking that it completely destroyed RiB!!!!!!!!!!!!

mordred · Post by **mordred** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:46 pm

MEXDefenderOfSteel wrote:was Rick Rubin the producer on the albums before RiB? i dont remember that, and if not, maybe thats part of the reason why RiB has a different sound (not entending "different" must be bad)

RiB was Rubin's first with Slayer and I think you're right, the difference between the first two records and RiB is probably a lot due to Rubin. From what I understand Rubin has the philosophy of always cutting songs down to their very basics and take out pretty much all parts that stray from the linear, simple structure. Generally I think that's boring and makes music less interesting. For example, Trouble turned completely bollocks after they started working with Rubin. In Slayer's case though I think it worked. Reign in Blood is so incredibly intense and in your face with all the fat trimmed off.

LaGouille · Post by **LaGouille** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:11 pm

Brilliant album, very intense, although I prefer the songwriting on Show No Mercy & Haunting the Chapel, and the atmosphere on Hell Awaits & South of Heaven. Anyway, as someone mentioned above, it does not come close to Pleasure to Kill, my personal fave of the genre.

Avenger · Post by **Avenger** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:02 am

sovdat wrote:Also saying that Reign in Blood was highly marketed is nonsense - it didn't even get any radio play!

Not really because that depends on what you deem as "Metal". I'm sure this album got play on many university and other major 1 hour Metal only radio shows that aired at ridiculous hours when no one would hear it. But that's besides the point. Metal in general unless it was of the "Sleaze/Glam/Hard Rock" kind was never highly marketed but in regards to Metal standards, "Reign In Blood" was a highly marketed release. Obviously if you are comparing this to the marketing done for let's say a Michael Jackson album, it's going to look rather non-existent.

Also, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that "Reign In Blood" is a bad album by any means, it's just that I'm tired of hearing people that are just getting into Metal or that have a slight interest in the genre, hype it so highly without even having a basis to compare it to. It's a bandwagon, fan-boy album and I think that the comparison to "Master Of Puppets" is a good one, because in my opinion, they are in the same league.