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I like Metallica lots, I am not ashamed to admit it.

I love the early albums, and i include "the Black album" in that, but they lost me after that, however i must confess to enjoying quite a lot of the "St. Anger" stuff.
Oh okay, i'm just being controversial for the sake of it, but the title track is great, espescially the "fuck it all & fucken no regrets..." part.
Of the 2 songs i've heard from the new album, "Day That Never Comes" sounds terrific, from the melancholic balladish beginning to the twisting turning riff fest which makes up the last 4 minutes or so. "My Armageddon", seems a bit Metallica by numbers, but part of it reminds me of "Dyer's Eve", so it's not all bad.
A possible return to form?
I don't dare to hope, but it may be.

The first five Metallica records are great, two of them even godly (RTL and MOP) and I'll be damned if I would be ashamed of that.

peterott wrote:Meshuggah's debut Contradictions Collapse also Heathen's Victims Of Deception. Awesome record (the Heathen one).

Couldn't agree more with this comparison, also 'Inferior To None' is 100% Metallica worship!
Maybe also add FORTE? Perhaps they are more Pantera sounding??

mordred wrote:

Avenger wrote:If anything Metallica sounds like Megadeth, not literally sound-wise, but idea-wise. Mustaine played a huge part in "Kill 'Em All" and you can defiantly tell that come "Master Of Puppets", Metallica ran out of Mustaine ideas/riffs/structures, which is what caused Metallica to drop down a tier or two in quality for the next couple albums before eventually doing their crash-and-burn.

I see your point about Metallica though I don't agree (Master of Puppets is their best IMO) but I have never understood this talk about Metallica running out of Mustaine's riffs. If that's what they did, then why did Mustaine run out of them himself too? If Dave Mustaine wrote most of Kill 'em All, then why didn't he put out anything of the same quality as his debut album, instead of the fart he put out.

This may sound harsh, but in my opinion Megadeth is an over rated band that no one would give a flying rat's ass about if it weren't for the fact that their guitar player once was in Metallica.

Popularity? The change in direction of the Thrash scene throughout the 80's? Many reasons for the riffing...

"Master Of Puppets" isn't a bad album. Don't get me wrong, however, I don't feel that it's up to par with Metallica's first two. Whether it be the Mustaine contribution or not. I think the album is just grossly over-rated and hyped beyond end. It's a second tier album to me. The next two after "Puppet's" are third tier in comparison.

And "Peace Sells" and "Rust In Peace" are classics in my book.

That’s just my opinion though…

Metallica was such an important part of my Metal upbringing it's hard to say something objective about those 4 first classics. They might not have had Fave-Band-status more than a year after the release of MoP, but still... a great band they were. Played them to death since more than a decade though, and the whole Bay Area/Exodus/Testament/'chugga-chugga-chugga' sound has always been a pet peeve of mine.

On-topic: THE KRIXHJÄLTERS' "Evilution" album.
There's a truly brilliant 'tallica-clone that at the same time manages to be totally unique. You might be familiar with their later OMNITRON-incarnation (uploaded in Poisonoise ages ago) but here they're less quirky and should appeal to all fans of the genre. I recently found my old CD so expect an upload very soon.

Avenger wrote:Popularity? The change in direction of the Thrash scene throughout the 80's? Many reasons for the riffing...

Maybe I wasn't clear enough, the "point" I was getting at was that it seems to me that Mustaine himself "ran out of Dave Mustaine's riffs" the minute he left Metallica and not in the early 90's or so. Obviously it's a matter of taste, but I don't feel that anything Megadeth ever put out is up to Metallica standards, so I have always felt it far fetched that the utter brilliance of early Metallica should be due to Mustaine's input... That's what I was getting at.

mordred wrote:

Avenger wrote:Popularity? The change in direction of the Thrash scene throughout the 80's? Many reasons for the riffing...

Maybe I wasn't clear enough, the "point" I was getting at was that it seems to me that Mustaine himself "ran out of Dave Mustaine's riffs" the minute he left Metallica and not in the early 90's or so. Obviously it's a matter of taste, but I don't feel that anything Megadeth ever put out is up to Metallica standards, so I have always felt it far fetched that the utter brilliance of early Metallica should be due to Mustaine's input... That's what I was getting at.

Dave Mustaine obviously wasn't the "be all, end all" for Metallica as they went on to put out additional albums after he left, but I do believe that he was the driving force behind the bands first two releases, hence, why they ended up the way that they were. Mustaine himself may have even dropped down a couple notches in originality himself after leaving Metallica, but what he contributed was still greater than the rest of the band while he was in it.

Like you said though, I think what it comes down to is a matter of taste. I know that I could personally tell my mother that a band like say Coroner is an amazingly technical band full of gifted, talented musicians, which is the truth, but she's still not going to like the music because it just isn't her cup of tea.

Black Axe wrote:Xentrix

yes!! great stuff, the debut (shattered existence) is flawless, and the followup (for whose advantage) is decent too; more AJFA worship than anything...

I don't really like Metallica. There's nothing fundamentally wrong with the first four but with the exception of Kill 'Em All they all bore me to death. Maybe it's because of dull voice and singing manouvers of James. He puts me to sleep quicker I say cat (again excluding his vocal work on KEA). And I guess the thrash a la Metallica just ain't my thing. So I will follow this thread and take notes as to know what bands not to listen

Eternal Decision fits the bill perfectly, so much so that people often mistake them for the real thing.