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Fucking Åmål wrote:Now about Metal Church i have never heard a song of theirs

WHAT?!

I'm quite sure they haven't even heard the name of INFERNAL MAJESTY.

You'd be quite wrong. I'm to saying Mastodon are very 'true', their background certainly is the Melvins, Tampa Florida Death Metal and stuff like Watchtower (which is why their recent Iron Maidenisms seem contrived) but they certainly know their metal. They weren't born yesterday.

Helstar=best Texas band

ooooh! Heresy! Both Solitude Aeturnus and Watchtower rate higher for me, I even like Kinetic Dissent more than Helstar.

Starting in Massachussets and ending debating power metal from almost everywhere else in USA ... now that's what I call distraction. To concentrate on the topic I have to admit that Enter The Darkness from debut is a real killer but the rest of album doesn't share its greateness. I have a friend who had 15 years ago - due to sheer lack of music at the time - been listening to Solitary Solitude about 50 times and of course happened to actually like it. Personally, I don't have that much stamina in stock.

Fucking Åmål wrote:And about Carl Albert i think everyone in this forum can name at any time 50 better vocalists than him.

He would easily be in my Top 50 metal vocalists! He's totally unique, you would recognize him in a heartbeat! You dont like Ruffians either??? Do you like Bobby Blitz from Overkill, very similar vocal sound/style IMO.

Fucking Åmål wrote:Now about Metal Church i have never heard a song of theirs but many things distract me from giving them a chance.Btw i think the band name is awful.

I think your forum name should be "Fucking Crazy"

Helm wrote: I'm to saying Mastodon are very 'true', their background certainly is the Melvins, Tampa Florida Death Metal and stuff like Watchtower (which is why their recent Iron Maidenisms seem contrived) but they certainly know their metal. They weren't born yesterday.

Mastodon very true? And they know their metal? I just can't believe what i'm reading. Those trendy metal magazines seem to have distorted just about everything that concerns pure metal.

I ment to write 'I'm not saying...' but yes they know their Metal and I don't see the point of this condescending 'oh my metal magazines' approach. I don't read anything 'trendy', I make my own decisions about music, not to be swayed by either flavour-of-the-week hipsters nor hardline blinkers-on truists.

So yes, Mastodon have made worthwhile music that will stand the test of time. I do not like them after the first EP much, but I can tell where my preference ends and quality still remains.

A small bunch of metal elements don't make them necessarily a metal band. And that goes for every new shitty band. Maybe their music is good, personally i don't like it, but it's not metal imo, either you call it heavy, thrash, black or death or all of them rolled into one- whatever, it's very ''plastic'' and hollow as fas as its feeling goes. This band cannot quench my thirst for metal in no way.

Korgüll wrote: I think your forum name should be "Fucking Crazy"

Korgüll wrote:He would easily be in my Top 50 metal vocalists! He's totally unique, you would recognize him in a heartbeat! You dont like Ruffians either??? Do you like Bobby Blitz from Overkill, very similar vocal sound/style IMO.

Blitz has Carl Albert for breakfast.

ION BRITTON wrote:A small bunch of metal elements don't make them necessarily a metal band. And that goes for every new shitty band. Maybe their music is good, personally i don't like it, but it's not metal imo, either you call it heavy, thrash, black or death or all of them rolled into one- whatever, it's very ''plastic'' and hollow as fas as its feeling goes. This band cannot quench my thirst for metal in no way.

"Nu-metal"

mordred wrote:

Korgüll wrote:He would easily be in my Top 50 metal vocalists! He's totally unique, you would recognize him in a heartbeat! You dont like Ruffians either??? Do you like Bobby Blitz from Overkill, very similar vocal sound/style IMO.

Blitz has Carl Albert for breakfast.

Ah.. forget it! I aint going to try and stick up for VR any more... I know they're good

This band cannot quench my thirst for metal in no way.

That's fine, I'm not asking you to like Mastodon or any other band. Just don't condescend me for enjoying their first EP by attributing it to influence by trendy magazines and such. I listen to many things besides metal and I enjoy them for what they are.

Helm wrote:
Just don't condescend me for enjoying their first EP by attributing it to influence by trendy magazines and such.

I'm saying this because many people believe that Mastodon play metal. And that's because of those NO-METAL-AT-ALL trendy magazines which are trying desperately to conveice us that all these new crap bands play heavy metal coz they fuckin' don't.

You like Mastodon? no problem with that at all, they just don't belong here.

Helm wrote: I listen to many things besides metal and I enjoy them for what they are

Same here, i always make sure though that each band really is the music they play, i don't like baptizing ''metal'' anything that has two guitars and a bass.

They certainly have a metal aesthetic going, though I find it unconvincing. What with the Iron Maidenisms and the concept albums and the riffs. But the releases I like by Mastodon were not marketed as metal, nor are they very metal (well.. I guess they're 'extreme metal' of some sort. If Human Remains and Melvins had a baby, that would be it) but the EP is good and I suggest it to people that would like that sort of thing, metal or no metal.

I do agree magazines push various things as 'the new wave of metal' and that most of them suck. But whether they suck because they're sucky metal, or they suck because they lack 'metal spirit' is really really debatable.

Helm wrote:
I do agree magazines push various things as 'the new wave of metal' and that most of them suck. But whether they suck because they're sucky metal, or they suck because they lack 'metal spirit' is really really debatable.

From what i've heard so far, it's definitely the second case. Tool, Pain of salvation, 4-5 last Dream Theater releases, most of those horrendous stone rock bands, nu metal, etc etc, this kind of shit is considered to be the new wave of metal. Progression my ass! If that's progression in metal, i'd better stay primitive all my life.