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Fabeldyr · Post by **Fabeldyr** » Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:01 pm

Helstar wrote:
Vampallens wrote:according with discogs, 8/94 1DA1 VISITOR
Also according to MS and most people (me included until some months ago).

Turns out that's the 1994 second press...

My copy says: MFD BY JVC SMI 160 2C
First press?

Helstar · Post by **Helstar** » Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:28 pm

Yep, you got it

Shimrod · Post by **Shimrod** » Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:29 pm

Vampallens wrote:
Shimrod wrote:Yes it was sold on Ebay by this seller: http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d ... world=true
thanx for the hint!
do you know release date of this reissue?

I bought my copy in 2011 not much time after it was discussed here so I guess it was printed in 2011. Music Sammler says it was in 2010 though.

leifkr · Post by **leifkr** » Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:50 pm

Fabeldyr wrote:
Helstar wrote:
Vampallens wrote:according with discogs, 8/94 1DA1 VISITOR
Also according to MS and most people (me included until some months ago).

Turns out that's the 1994 second press...
My copy says: MFD BY JVC SMI 160 2C
First press?

So do mine!

Yakish · Post by **Yakish** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:34 am

I found an answer for my own question i asked here two years ago.
This Streetfighter "Shoot You Down" was released on cd officially, but (according to matrix style) not in early days, but from 1995 to 1998 i believe. It has two IFPI codes and standard Sony DADC style. Also no info about year on back cover, only been said it's re-issue. Probably this info could be useful for somebody.

Warepire · Post by **Warepire** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:37 am

This is a 1994-1995 style DADC Austria matrix, I think that in 1996 or 1997 they started using the longer numbers.

Avenger · Post by **Avenger** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:38 am

My copy looks the same as that one. It's from the mid 90's.

There is a bootleg of this floating around ebay now. I have no idea how that one looks though.

Helstar · Post by **Helstar** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:18 pm

leifkr wrote: So do mine!

Already received from Japan

?

http://www.ebay.it/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll ... 0383047571

Yakish · Post by **Yakish** » Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:44 pm

I have a very specific question which answer i can't find nowhere.
It's about Noise Records cd releases under cat.# NCD 001, 002, 003 & 004
Two of them (Running Wild and Celtic Frost) are easy to find and available for any time for cheap, but two others (Grave Digger and Sinner) are very rare in my opinion. Also i saw at least two early versions of Celtic Frost:
One with typical matrix NCD 003 P O-2337-A 11-88 like here on example:
http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=3626662
and other non-typical (and much more interesting for me): http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=1188768
I have Grave Digger (NCD 002) with the same non-typical for Noise matrix:
http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=4127378
Never saw cd or matrix of Sinner "Comin' Out Fighting" from this early serie, but i know for sure it does exist in original early (not 1994) press.
The questions:
1. Might these versions of Grave Digger and Celtic Frost (and probably Sinner?) with strange matrix style could be considered as the earliest (before 1988) versions?
2. Why Running Wild and Celtic Frost cds with NCD prefix are much common than Sinner and Grave Digger? Just a question of popularity and, as fact, quantity of them?
3. I guess here in the corroseum discography of Noise Records http://www.thecorroseum.com/labels/noise.html at least exist one mistake: S.A.D.O. "Circle Of Friends" CD 1988 with cat.# N 0093
Never seen it for sale and i believe it's just a planned release what never been made. Would be appreciated so much if someone could refute my theory.

Warepire · Post by **Warepire** » Wed Feb 06, 2013 6:31 pm

As far as I know Noise didn't make CDs until 1988, so they might just be a different press from 1988 (or maybe a year later)

Avenger · Post by **Avenger** » Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:54 am

Yakish wrote:I have a very specific question which answer i can't find nowhere.
It's about Noise Records cd releases under cat.# NCD 001, 002, 003 & 004
Two of them (Running Wild and Celtic Frost) are easy to find and available for any time for cheap, but two others (Grave Digger and Sinner) are very rare in my opinion. Also i saw at least two early versions of Celtic Frost:
One with typical matrix NCD 003 P O-2337-A 11-88 like here on example:
http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=3626662
and other non-typical (and much more interesting for me): http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=1188768
I have Grave Digger (NCD 002) with the same non-typical for Noise matrix:
http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=4127378
Never saw cd or matrix of Sinner "Comin' Out Fighting" from this early serie, but i know for sure it does exist in original early (not 1994) press.
The questions:
1. Might these versions of Grave Digger and Celtic Frost (and probably Sinner?) with strange matrix style could be considered as the earliest (before 1988) versions?
2. Why Running Wild and Celtic Frost cds with NCD prefix are much common than Sinner and Grave Digger? Just a question of popularity and, as fact, quantity of them?
3. I guess here in the corroseum discography of Noise Records http://www.thecorroseum.com/labels/noise.html at least exist one mistake: S.A.D.O. "Circle Of Friends" CD 1988 with cat.# N 0093
Never seen it for sale and i believe it's just a planned release what never been made. Would be appreciated so much if someone could refute my theory.

What is the alternate Matrix of the Celtic Frost CD? Is it the disc made by Polygram? I have not been able to load a page from the discogs website using the specific ISP my company uses for at least 6 months now so I am not able to view the picture.

Regarding the Running Wild - "Gates To Purgatory" CD, there are several different pressings of that one: CDT-BERLIN, P+O PALLAS, MAGNA and at least 2 others including one with an IFPI Code. This has been discussed here before however.

About that S.A.D.O CD, it's a mistake but since Dan has been inactive I have stopped submitting corrections for the label index. View any discography information you find on the internet with a pinch of salt. None of them are perfectly accurate.

To my knowledge Noise International started making CD's as early as 1986 but I would have to check my collection to verify this which I cannot do at the moment.

Yakish · Post by **Yakish** » Thu Feb 07, 2013 7:44 am

Thanks guys!
Avenger: yes, Celtic Frost exactly as you suggested was made by Polygram

and my Grave Digger:

Previously i also thought that Noise started press CDs in 1987-1988, but these two examples made me think. Both has no other dates except 1985 while another version(s) of CF and all RW presses has clearly stated date of re-release on CDs and back covers - 1988
And..the main reason why i started to think that these versions are the first - i've read on russian forum massive discussion about the earliest CDs that printed in the World. They posted many examples famous big names of pop and rock artists like ABBA, The Who, Creedence, Beatles etc. and matrix style some of 1984-1985 W.Germany versions looks exactly like these Celtic Frost and Grave Digger
Would be also very appreiated for Sinner's photo/scan of matrix

sovdat · Post by **sovdat** » Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:17 pm

Fabeldyr wrote:
Helstar wrote:
Vampallens wrote:according with discogs, 8/94 1DA1 VISITOR
Also according to MS and most people (me included until some months ago).

Turns out that's the 1994 second press...
My copy says: MFD BY JVC SMI 160 2C
First press?

My copy is 8/94 ... Got it from Duckler (R.I.P.). I also had another copy with the same matrix which I got from Eat Metal Greg (accordingly bought back then, which could of course be 1994 too).

And I also had one copy that looked like Japanese pressed CD (perhaps the one you got) - got that one from pricekillers. However, it was mentioned several times that this CD was bootlegged in Japan so I thought that was it ... Can you scan your CD?

Helstar · Post by **Helstar** » Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:31 pm

Ok, now things are getting very confusing

Avenger · Post by **Avenger** » Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:04 pm

The disc looks like just many other early CD's pressed by PDO in either Germany, France or the US. This same style was used well into the 90's so this is definately not any sort of confirmation.