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People NEED to create myths around something (usually that is of their field of interest),just like it happens with pop music stars' expenses,athletes' contracts and TV stars' salaries.You name an enormous amount of money and you become a bigger star,not accessible to common humans.This way a record would be more collectible if it remains a secret.When this record is crap(most probably),the myth swells into a legend and when you have it in your collection and you are the only one who does,then you are a nominee for the legendary stupid hall of fame not wanting to share the music for that reason!Half of them do it off ego,the rest for money.And then I start losing my will for life for not owning that rare record....This myth creating vicious circle has only one and the same outcome over and over again.

Eh, som theories here are very...eh, how should i say it..interesting?

Maybe there are people who are not interested to spend hours and hours ripping and uploading and posting their whole collection? Some of them may even have jobs, family, other interests? Or maybe they spend their free time to track down bands and records? But of course they are all elitist and snobs, haha.

Also what Khnud said is probably right, most of the really good rarities are already available online, and it's getting more every day. There should be more metal music available one way or the other than anyone could ever hear in a lifetime!

Metal should have a bit of mystery.If all these rare records were freely available on every blog then all mystic charm has gone.

Khnud wrote:I have a slightly different theory: If a very rare record sells, but never gets ripped, I tend to suspect that the music wasn't all that great. By not sharing it, interest in the item is maintained. If it were to be ripped and blogged, and people found out it was mediocre - demand would drop.

Am I correct on this?

But on the other hand these records can be bloody great.For example everyone praise FAR EAST (But just the ones hear this record) so It might be very good record.And collector who owns it just want to keep it as a Grail.It's his right not to share.These rare records sometime are hit or miss thing.So people who spend a lot of money to buy record without hearing it do not want to share.

I don't understand the 'wasting time ripping their entire collection' thing that's come up a few times...when has ANYONE hinted at anything like that.

Of course metal should have an air of mystery about it, but it doesn't disappear just cos you hear the music, there's still the dream of finding that record in some dusty box, or if you have a record; the cover art and music still takes you places.

Some of them are not just theories,but facts!I respect and agree with anyone who does not want to share music because there's no time to waste ripping vinyl(like myself,I actually don't know how to do it and I'm too lazy to start experimenting on that ),so this was never an issue on the previous posts.But most of the rest are childish excuses that I can't agree with.When you prove to me that you had avoided listening to a new discovery someone had uploaded,then I'll back off.

daniel wrote:I don't understand the 'wasting time ripping their entire collection' thing that's come up a few times...when has ANYONE hinted at anything like that.

Of course metal should have an air of mystery about it, but it doesn't disappear just cos you hear the music, there's still the dream of finding that record in some dusty box, or if you have a record; the cover art and music still takes you places.

That makes us 2 saying the same at the simultaneously.Lucky shot again?But I see people using more free time on how many rare records they own rather than using it for music,this means you don't like music,you don't want to "explore and discover" music or what?Yes,when someone only posts to brag about his new acquisition and never again(not you St. Kuntz,you have a tendency to get everything I say in person ),he is a selfish elitistand snob,what else?

daniel wrote: Btw Rockadelic, this wasn't the first time I thought you said something stupid, recalling your arguments on ownership of music etc.

What I said was simply my interpretation of you're obnoxious whining and sense of entitlement.

If that came across as "stupid" I'd suggest looking in the mirror.

Why do people spend 100's and even 1,000's of dollars on a record?

1) To own a rare item as well as the music on it
2) To play Robin Hood and give the music out for free
3) As an investment with the hopes of it becoming more valuable
4) To horde music and live as a lonely fuckard for eternity

I'd suggest you read my posts again instead and quote my 'obnoxious whining', you'll also see that your(hint) idea that I believe I'm entitled to everything is total BS. You've proven before though that you're pretty stubborn and rather leave a discussion when you've 'had enough' than actually discuss all points presented. Also, all you've done in this thread is come in and insult people and act like some know it all.

Damn daniel and Cochino,what are you talking about you false super mega turbo gti rare collectors,the bands used to press 500 copies of their vinyls,if you had bought it,you could listen to it.The don't want their music to be heard by no more than 500 people,they didn't allow more than 500 of an audience at shows,no more than 500 tickets were sold and gave away to the cops a whole lot of people who taped their album.But it seems all those using such argumetns NEVER search for a band when there is no LP out (in sites such as utube,mySpace etc etc) simply becuase they were never interested in listening to the music other than selling it!Maybe anyone ever bought a CD or went to a gig?I doubt I'll ever get a positive answer...

daniel wrote:I'd suggest you read my posts again instead and quote my 'obnoxious whining', you'll also see that your(hint) idea that I believe I'm entitled to everything is total BS. You've proven before though that you're pretty stubborn and rather leave a discussion when you've 'had enough' than actually discuss all points presented. Also, all you've done in this thread is come in and insult people and act like some know it all.

I don't know it all....but after 30+ years in the rare record business, I know more than most.

The only "point" to be discussed here is whether or not people are Obligated to "share" something they have, and possibly spent a lot of time/money on, with others.

Some feel that they are entitled to hear anything/everything and ridicule the folks who don't accomadate them.

In this thread someone on that side of the argument even suggested that something must "not be real" if it wasn't shared....a juvenile attempt to shame someone into giving them something for free.

I feel that a collector, who collects RARE Lp's and wants to maintain the rarity by not giving the world it's content for free is just being wise.

Money talks, bullshit walks....in records and in life.

Rockadelic wrote:

daniel wrote:
Money talks, bullshit walks....in records and in life.

That's the most true and correct thing you've siad.Fortunately, people are judged by their talk,not by their walk.If this is where you stand for,this is wxactly what has been previously stated here.For the history,no one said "you ought to share"....

Lifes a Bitch

Let me resume all this thread, everybody must be agree


"music is sharing, but not with everyone!"




As for me I tend to think that 99% of valuable releases always find their way to our ears, wether some people try to keep them secret or not.

glockose wrote:Lifes a Bitch

What do you wanna mean with that? Haven't you read the posts above?!!!


I insist:
If the only proof of existence of a "band?" or "ep?" are a front cover and a buying transaction, I can create a new band of the 80's for you tomorrow! (Note that metal-archives "EP?" tracklist is fictitious and the cover is taken from the "transaction?").

The pic above, the M-A one and a transaction. Not enough for my sceptical brain! How can I believe in something based on those three!

What I re-think: good albums are always well known by fans (even the rare ones), bad albums (or inexistent ones) are muted; it's obvious!

PD: No more "Metal Merchant?" metaloren posts until physical proofs of its existence.