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Avenger · Post by **Avenger** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 4:02 am

metalmaster wrote:The products of Old Records are crap, very bootleg styled. The funny thing is that King even sells licences of albums he is not the owner. So, dont tell me he does everything just for love to Metal. Other wise he would buy the rights, print quality remasterd cds at low prices.

The bands have no right to give any permission to anyone if they are not the executive producers of the albums, simply because they didnt pay fo the production of that record. Of course they are the holders of composition.

A lot of bands were young and naive and signed over the rights to their music simply for the sake of ever being able to release it in the first place.

If a record company refuses to sell the rights or are asking a ridiculous amount to purchase them and they have no intent of ever re-releasing the material but still keep it locked down in a vault, then how is that any better?

Avenger · Post by **Avenger** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 4:06 am

glockose wrote:Hello!

I have a quistion I would like to ask
AND THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH KING.

People post songs (MP3's) on this site and others all the time. They don't have any rights to do this BUT IT IS DONE for the love of music and sharing.(No cost to the poster or the downloader)

If this is done so easy and with NO cost to anyone.

WHY would someone press vinyl and CDS (Bootlegs) and sell them even if they are just breaking even, for the love of music and wanting to get the music to the masses only?

Why not just upload it??????????

For the sake of actually having a tangible hard copy of the album that you can actually hold in your hands.

Avenger · Post by **Avenger** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 5:35 am

kingfowley wrote:
Cochino wrote:Nobody who knows King's carreer should suspect him of doing this for the money.
BTW King, if you read this, I'm the guy from Mortado 'zine. My partner is supposed to mail your copy this week, or after the holidays.

thanks man! happy holidays!

king

By the way King, how do you decide what albums need to be re-released on CD?

Not that you've done a bad job so far on the choices that you've made, but I could literally come up with a mile long list of material that should be and am dying to ask if you are up for taking suggestions.

Either way, thanks for keeping the flag held high.

I have purchased several of your re-issue CD's over the last few years.

Shadow Kingdom · Post by **Shadow Kingdom** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 5:37 am

Hey King Fowley!

I support his releases! He put out DEATH MASK people, DEATH MASK! That was the best thing in my opinion! I don't know if I ever would have heard how good that band was if it wasn't for him!

So basically any band being held down by some greedy cocksucker label and King contacts the band and releases it on their approval, then I'm all for it. After all it's all about the band and not greedy labels... not all labels are like this though...

kingfowley · Post by **kingfowley** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 4:24 pm

Avenger wrote:
kingfowley wrote:
Cochino wrote:Nobody who knows King's carreer should suspect him of doing this for the money.
BTW King, if you read this, I'm the guy from Mortado 'zine. My partner is supposed to mail your copy this week, or after the holidays.

thanks man! happy holidays!

king
By the way King, how do you decide what albums need to be re-released on CD?

Not that you've done a bad job so far on the choices that you've made, but I could literally come up with a mile long list of material that should be and am dying to ask if you are up for taking suggestions.

Either way, thanks for keeping the flag held high.

I have purchased several of your re-issue CD's over the last few years.

i do it by things i like and if i can find the band/band memebers!

any suggestions are always welcome

i do my best to find the bands, if i can't then it's a bit weird wondering what to do!

an example is i didn't have contact with sound barrier. i put it out. as soon as it surfaced someone put one on ebay, the bass player and guitarist got in touch and the person told em it was old metal. they got in touch with me and LOVED IT! i hooked them up with plenty of copies and they said 'i can't believe anyone cares enough to put their $ up for sound barrier'. now me and spacy t (guitarist) are great, great friends!

it's a gamble to put it out unofficial. but it has paid off about everytime i've gone that route. it almost makes the band surface, and i assure you bands enjoy it when it comes out. they are praised for thier music and they quickly realize i aint out to screw them over and hook them right up for their great music! again, my address and # is right on the product!

you meet alot of cool people along the way as well!

kingfowley · Post by **kingfowley** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 4:29 pm

Avenger wrote:
metalmaster wrote:The products of Old Records are crap, very bootleg styled. The funny thing is that King even sells licences of albums he is not the owner. So, dont tell me he does everything just for love to Metal. Other wise he would buy the rights, print quality remasterd cds at low prices.

The bands have no right to give any permission to anyone if they are not the executive producers of the albums, simply because they didnt pay fo the production of that record. Of course they are the holders of composition.
A lot of bands were young and naive and signed over the rights to their music simply for the sake of ever being able to release it in the first place.

If a record company refuses to sell the rights or are asking a ridiculous amount to purchase them and they have no intent of ever re-releasing the material but still keep it locked down in a vault, then how is that any better?

if everyone knew how many bands got screwed BIG TIME by thier labels!
ask riot about metal blade. or ask voivod a thing or two. it is almost MANDATORY record labels rip off bands. god knows relapse did it to us!

bands that put their music and time and $ into it deserve a hit back! music rights is a big scam if you ask me. it's legal hodge podge that really needs rights to be left to the bands that make it!

kingfowley · Post by **kingfowley** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 4:30 pm

Shadow Kingdom wrote:Hey King Fowley!

I support his releases! He put out DEATH MASK people, DEATH MASK! That was the best thing in my opinion! I don't know if I ever would have heard how good that band was if it wasn't for him!

So basically any band being held down by some greedy cocksucker label and King contacts the band and releases it on their approval, then I'm all for it. After all it's all about the band and not greedy labels... not all labels are like this though...

deathmask rules! known hoss forever! great local band i grew up with.
saw 'em open for the english dogs one time and asylum another.
the insane is the track!

cheers!

hload · Post by **hload** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 5:07 pm

MEXDefenderOfSteel wrote:Wow, To be completely honest with this topic i didnt know King Fowley was behind this label, and sure i thought they have a poor production...

Personally, i own two of his releases: Laaz Rockit-Annihilation Principle and Cities-Annihilation Absolute (thanks Ray from PR) and i think its a good opportunity for younger metal fans to get/buy the music (im against downloading albums) no matter what quality you get it, at least is not a cdr, and you got it fully printed and maybe the lyrics...no matter if its lp,tape or cd, first pressing or a re-released edition, i have to get it for my colletion, if its old metal recs. then,let it be done ha!

so i think i have to thank you King for those two i bought hehe, i also have the last Deceased album and i think its interesting too...BTW WHERE CAN I BUY YOUR "OCTOBER 31-THE FIRE AWAITS YOU"?

hey, bro, i could upload this for you....everything for the love of music....

ION BRITTON · Post by **ION BRITTON** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:41 pm

kingfowley wrote: it is almost MANDATORY record labels rip off bands. god knows relapse did it to us!

If it so, i'm wondering why bands are still signing contracts. Do they base their hopes on the 1% that they will not get ripped off? Why don't they D.o I.t T.hemselves then?

kingfowley wrote: bands that put their music and time and $ into it deserve a hit back! music rights is a big scam if you ask me. it's legal hodge podge that really needs rights to be left to the bands that make it!

Yes, maybe it is. But remember that labels invest some time and money on the whole deal as well and also some management abilities which most of the bands didn't/don't have at all. If the bands knew how to promote themselves properly, then labels wouldn't be needed that much really.

Look, i am not working on a label or something, i just believe that if you don't like a law or you find it unfair, whatever, you must move legitimately in order to change it. By breaking it constantly, it probably won't change, but it's rather MORE probable that it will become stricter.

The music belongs to the bands, no doubt about that. But the CD/LP that will come out one day is the result of more than one processes and not only of that of writing music. Yes, the bands deserve MORE, and, sadly, that ''more" they won't take it, but that's something they already know without having to sign a contract. And as i've said before, from the moment they put their signature, they should be aware of the fact that they are bound to that contract and they can't do whatever they want neither now nor in 20 years. I think everybody knows and understand the latter. Or maybe not?

kingfowley · Post by **kingfowley** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 3:37 pm

ION BRITTON wrote:
kingfowley wrote: it is almost MANDATORY record labels rip off bands. god knows relapse did it to us!
If it so, i'm wondering why bands are still signing contracts. Do they base their hopes on the 1% that they will not get ripped off? Why don't they D.o I.t T.hemselves then?

TODAY MORE AND MORE BANDS DO IT THEMSELVES BECAUSE OF YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARSS OF THIS NONSENSE! I KNOW I PERSONALLY TORE UP A METAL BLADE CONTRACT FOR OCT 31 AFTER THEY RELEASED OUR 'MEET THY MAKER' BECAUSE WHAT I SIGNED AS A CONTRACT WAS NOT HAPPENING IN REALITY~ANYONE CAN TURN A STORY!

kingfowley wrote: bands that put their music and time and $ into it deserve a hit back! music rights is a big scam if you ask me. it's legal hodge podge that really needs rights to be left to the bands that make it!
Yes, maybe it is. But remember that labels invest some time and money on the whole deal as well and also some management abilities which most of the bands didn't/don't have at all. If the bands knew how to promote themselves properly, then labels wouldn't be needed that much really.

Look, i am not working on a label or something, i just believe that if you don't like a law or you find it unfair, whatever, you must move legitimately in order to change it. By breaking it constantly, it probably won't change, but it's rather MORE probable that it will become stricter.

The music belongs to the bands, no doubt about that. But the CD/LP that will come out one day is the result of more than one processes and not only of that of writing music. Yes, the bands deserve MORE, and, sadly, that ''more" they won't take it, but that's something they already know without having to sign a contract. And as i've said before, from the moment they put their signature, they should be aware of the fact that they are bound to that contract and they can't do whatever they want neither now nor in 20 years. I think everybody knows and understand the latter. Or maybe not?

EXACTLY ON SIGNATURE! BUT WHEN YOU SIGN SOMETHING THAT IS THEN CHANGED ALONG THE WAY BECAUSE THE OTHER END TURNS IT SO IT IS TO THEM STILL 'IN THE CONTRACT', IT'S NONSENSE. TOO MANY LOOPHOLES IN RECORD CONTRACTS!

kingfowley · Post by **kingfowley** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 3:38 pm

hload wrote:
MEXDefenderOfSteel wrote:Wow, To be completely honest with this topic i didnt know King Fowley was behind this label, and sure i thought they have a poor production...

Personally, i own two of his releases: Laaz Rockit-Annihilation Principle and Cities-Annihilation Absolute (thanks Ray from PR) and i think its a good opportunity for younger metal fans to get/buy the music (im against downloading albums) no matter what quality you get it, at least is not a cdr, and you got it fully printed and maybe the lyrics...no matter if its lp,tape or cd, first pressing or a re-released edition, i have to get it for my colletion, if its old metal recs. then,let it be done ha!

so i think i have to thank you King for those two i bought hehe, i also have the last Deceased album and i think its interesting too...BTW WHERE CAN I BUY YOUR "OCTOBER 31-THE FIRE AWAITS YOU"?

hey, bro, i could upload this for you....everything for the love of music....

PLEASE DO UPLOAD IT FOR HIM, SAVE HIM SOME $ AND LET HIM HEAR THE MUSIC!
THANK YOU

ION BRITTON · Post by **ION BRITTON** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:37 pm

kingfowley wrote:
ION BRITTON wrote:
kingfowley wrote: it is almost MANDATORY record labels rip off bands. god knows relapse did it to us!
If it so, i'm wondering why bands are still signing contracts. Do they base their hopes on the 1% that they will not get ripped off? Why don't they D.o I.t T.hemselves then?

TODAY MORE AND MORE BANDS DO IT THEMSELVES BECAUSE OF YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARSS OF THIS NONSENSE! I KNOW I PERSONALLY TORE UP A METAL BLADE CONTRACT FOR OCT 31 AFTER THEY RELEASED OUR 'MEET THY MAKER' BECAUSE WHAT I SIGNED AS A CONTRACT WAS NOT HAPPENING IN REALITY~ANYONE CAN TURN A STORY!

kingfowley wrote: bands that put their music and time and $ into it deserve a hit back! music rights is a big scam if you ask me. it's legal hodge podge that really needs rights to be left to the bands that make it!
Yes, maybe it is. But remember that labels invest some time and money on the whole deal as well and also some management abilities which most of the bands didn't/don't have at all. If the bands knew how to promote themselves properly, then labels wouldn't be needed that much really.

Look, i am not working on a label or something, i just believe that if you don't like a law or you find it unfair, whatever, you must move legitimately in order to change it. By breaking it constantly, it probably won't change, but it's rather MORE probable that it will become stricter.

The music belongs to the bands, no doubt about that. But the CD/LP that will come out one day is the result of more than one processes and not only of that of writing music. Yes, the bands deserve MORE, and, sadly, that ''more" they won't take it, but that's something they already know without having to sign a contract. And as i've said before, from the moment they put their signature, they should be aware of the fact that they are bound to that contract and they can't do whatever they want neither now nor in 20 years. I think everybody knows and understand the latter. Or maybe not?
EXACTLY ON SIGNATURE! BUT WHEN YOU SIGN SOMETHING THAT IS THEN CHANGED ALONG THE WAY BECAUSE THE OTHER END TURNS IT SO IT IS TO THEM STILL 'IN THE CONTRACT', IT'S NONSENSE. TOO MANY LOOPHOLES IN RECORD CONTRACTS!

Of course. The contracts are made to protect those who make them, not those who are gonna sign them. Those nasty loopholes can spotted only by experienced professionals and that's what the bands basically need: a lawyer. I'll be damned if they really know what they are signing every time...

sovdat · Post by **sovdat** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 5:17 pm

KING, how about doing a CD release of RENEGADE - Total Armageddon??? Perhaps Australia's finest album, but still not available on a CD and the LP is a bitch to find!

kingfowley · Post by **kingfowley** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 6:51 pm

ION BRITTON wrote:
kingfowley wrote:
ION BRITTON wrote:
If it so, i'm wondering why bands are still signing contracts. Do they base their hopes on the 1% that they will not get ripped off? Why don't they D.o I.t T.hemselves then?

TODAY MORE AND MORE BANDS DO IT THEMSELVES BECAUSE OF YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARSS OF THIS NONSENSE! I KNOW I PERSONALLY TORE UP A METAL BLADE CONTRACT FOR OCT 31 AFTER THEY RELEASED OUR 'MEET THY MAKER' BECAUSE WHAT I SIGNED AS A CONTRACT WAS NOT HAPPENING IN REALITY~ANYONE CAN TURN A STORY!

Yes, maybe it is. But remember that labels invest some time and money on the whole deal as well and also some management abilities which most of the bands didn't/don't have at all. If the bands knew how to promote themselves properly, then labels wouldn't be needed that much really.

Look, i am not working on a label or something, i just believe that if you don't like a law or you find it unfair, whatever, you must move legitimately in order to change it. By breaking it constantly, it probably won't change, but it's rather MORE probable that it will become stricter.

The music belongs to the bands, no doubt about that. But the CD/LP that will come out one day is the result of more than one processes and not only of that of writing music. Yes, the bands deserve MORE, and, sadly, that ''more" they won't take it, but that's something they already know without having to sign a contract. And as i've said before, from the moment they put their signature, they should be aware of the fact that they are bound to that contract and they can't do whatever they want neither now nor in 20 years. I think everybody knows and understand the latter. Or maybe not?
EXACTLY ON SIGNATURE! BUT WHEN YOU SIGN SOMETHING THAT IS THEN CHANGED ALONG THE WAY BECAUSE THE OTHER END TURNS IT SO IT IS TO THEM STILL 'IN THE CONTRACT', IT'S NONSENSE. TOO MANY LOOPHOLES IN RECORD CONTRACTS!
Of course. The contracts are made to protect those who make them, not those who are gonna sign them. Those nasty loopholes can spotted only by experienced professionals and that's what the bands basically need: a lawyer. I'll be damned if they really know what they are signing every time...

even well educated lawyers can't always get it right for the artist! trust me, it's a MESS!

kingfowley · Post by **kingfowley** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 6:51 pm

sovdat wrote:KING, how about doing a CD release of RENEGADE - Total Armageddon??? Perhaps Australia's finest album, but still not available on a CD and the LP is a bitch to find!

LET ME TALK WITH BY FRIEND TOM!
maybe he can help me hunt them down!