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heavymetalmaniac wrote:

I'm aware of that but alot of people claims to have first pressings and then it turns out that the CD has an IFPI Code meaning that it is a repress. I've done some asking around myself and it seems that your copy is the black sheep, so that's why I asked.

If my copy is the black sheep, it would mean that Steamhammer/ SPV issued a bootleg as first pressing then?

The shop where I bought it is 100% trustful while I'm not sure where exactly I bought it but must have been Saturn (Cologne, since this was the first and only existing one back then) or ELPI (Cologne or Leverkusen). All of them are not known for selling bootlegs (although Saturn did when they sold these crappy Live Bootlegs for example of AC/ DC and Metallica years back).

I bought it short after I bought the vinyl, which must have been - like I said - end of the 80s beginning of the 90s.

Strange if a bootleg would include lyrics and an original would not. I can only assume that there are different pressings of this CD? It's not unknown that SPV did repress some of their CD's without any further notes. The only way to identify them are small details like later IFPI codes and things like this.

However, it's an interesting matter. If there are more details coming up, please let me know!

perishinflames wrote:Yeah, but there were a few different press runs on Def Jam. Some have different matrices, some even different sound (the first few seconds of Angel of Death is cut off on one of them, I think this version is the very first pressing, but not 100% sure).

Edit:

OK, pics. Top one is the one with Angel of Death cut off in the beginning, it should be the first press. The one below is mastered slightly differently. Booklets and tray cards for both versions are identical.





There are probably more versions as well.

Avenger wrote:

heavymetalmaniac wrote:

I'm aware of that but alot of people claims to have first pressings and then it turns out that the CD has an IFPI Code meaning that it is a repress. I've done some asking around myself and it seems that your copy is the black sheep, so that's why I asked.

If my copy is the black sheep, it would mean that Steamhammer/ SPV issued a bootleg as first pressing then?

The shop where I bought it is 100% trustful while I'm not sure where exactly I bought it but must have been Saturn (Cologne, since this was the first and only existing one back then) or ELPI (Cologne or Leverkusen). All of them are not known for selling bootlegs (although Saturn did when they sold these crappy Live Bootlegs for example of AC/ DC and Metallica years back).

I bought it short after I bought the vinyl, which must have been - like I said - end of the 80s beginning of the 90s.

Strange if a bootleg would include lyrics and an original would not. I can only assume that there are different pressings of this CD? It's not unknown that SPV did repress some of their CD's without any further notes. The only way to identify them are small details like later IFPI codes and things like this.

However, it's an interesting matter. If there are more details coming up, please let me know!

I never said that your copy is a bootleg. All I said is that out of everyone that I've asked that has an original copy, the booklet is blank, hence, the "black sheep" comment.

Avenger wrote:

perishinflames wrote:Yeah, but there were a few different press runs on Def Jam. Some have different matrices, some even different sound (the first few seconds of Angel of Death is cut off on one of them, I think this version is the very first pressing, but not 100% sure).

Edit:

OK, pics. Top one is the one with Angel of Death cut off in the beginning, it should be the first press. The one below is mastered slightly differently. Booklets and tray cards for both versions are identical.





There are probably more versions as well.

Yeah, there is a shit load of different press runs of the old Slayer CD back catalogue. "Reign In Blood", "South Of Heaven" and "Seasons In The Abyss" were all repressed countless times with identical inserts.

I'll also vouch that I believe that top disc is the first press for "Reign In Blood".

Cochino wrote:I just got a CD of Assassin's "Upcoming Terror" which is a cheap 2008 reissue that seems to be a bootleg (cheap, non-existent booklet, no barcodes or anything but it's a real silver CD). It says Ago Media/Acido Producciones. Anybody knows anything about this?

Avenger wrote:

heavymetalmaniac wrote:

I'm aware of that but alot of people claims to have first pressings and then it turns out that the CD has an IFPI Code meaning that it is a repress. I've done some asking around myself and it seems that your copy is the black sheep, so that's why I asked.

If my copy is the black sheep, it would mean that Steamhammer/ SPV issued a bootleg as first pressing then?

The shop where I bought it is 100% trustful while I'm not sure where exactly I bought it but must have been Saturn (Cologne, since this was the first and only existing one back then) or ELPI (Cologne or Leverkusen). All of them are not known for selling bootlegs (although Saturn did when they sold these crappy Live Bootlegs for example of AC/ DC and Metallica years back).

I bought it short after I bought the vinyl, which must have been - like I said - end of the 80s beginning of the 90s.

Strange if a bootleg would include lyrics and an original would not. I can only assume that there are different pressings of this CD? It's not unknown that SPV did repress some of their CD's without any further notes. The only way to identify them are small details like later IFPI codes and things like this.

However, it's an interesting matter. If there are more details coming up, please let me know!

I never said that your copy is a bootleg. All I said is that out of everyone that I've asked that has an original copy, the booklet is blank, hence, the "black sheep" comment.

Cochino wrote:

Cochino wrote:I just got a CD of Assassin's "Upcoming Terror" which is a cheap 2008 reissue that seems to be a bootleg (cheap, non-existent booklet, no barcodes or anything but it's a real silver CD). It says Ago Media/Acido Producciones. Anybody knows anything about this?

Bumping my own question. I found this link http://www.musik-sammler.de/media/357927
Does that mean it's an official reissue?

heavymetalmaniac wrote:

Avenger wrote:

heavymetalmaniac wrote:
If my copy is the black sheep, it would mean that Steamhammer/ SPV issued a bootleg as first pressing then?

The shop where I bought it is 100% trustful while I'm not sure where exactly I bought it but must have been Saturn (Cologne, since this was the first and only existing one back then) or ELPI (Cologne or Leverkusen). All of them are not known for selling bootlegs (although Saturn did when they sold these crappy Live Bootlegs for example of AC/ DC and Metallica years back).

I bought it short after I bought the vinyl, which must have been - like I said - end of the 80s beginning of the 90s.

Strange if a bootleg would include lyrics and an original would not. I can only assume that there are different pressings of this CD? It's not unknown that SPV did repress some of their CD's without any further notes. The only way to identify them are small details like later IFPI codes and things like this.

However, it's an interesting matter. If there are more details coming up, please let me know!

I never said that your copy is a bootleg. All I said is that out of everyone that I've asked that has an original copy, the booklet is blank, hence, the "black sheep" comment.

I got an e-mail from another guy who also bought his copy back in time and who is sure to have an original. His version has lyrics, too. So it seems there are different pressings/ runs. Some include lyrics, some don't.

However, if someone can clear this up it would be interesting though.

Avenger wrote:

heavymetalmaniac wrote:

Avenger wrote:
I never said that your copy is a bootleg. All I said is that out of everyone that I've asked that has an original copy, the booklet is blank, hence, the "black sheep" comment.

I got an e-mail from another guy who also bought his copy back in time and who is sure to have an original. His version has lyrics, too. So it seems there are different pressings/ runs. Some include lyrics, some don't.

However, if someone can clear this up it would be interesting though.

If I was paid a dollar for every time I've heard "well I bought this new back in (insert early days when item was first released)" especially on ebay, I would be a rich man.

Avenger wrote:Why don't one of you guy’s just contact me for details about the original Entropy? The only reason I won't spread such details publicly is because we don't need bootleggers making identical matrix "Ashen Existence" CD's. Yes, it was made in the same "DISQUE AMERIC" plant as the old Fringe CD's. It also has a silver ring around the clear plastic part where the matrix is visible from both sides. The disc itself is of that thick heavy plastic early CD style, the kind that can't be reproduced anymore it seems and there is no IFPI Code. Keep in mind that all CD's prior to 1994 didn't have one.

Either way, yes, there is finally a re-issue that's similar but I think that in the end these stories about 2nd, 3rd re-pressings from '92 are bullshit. This band was never big enough and far too obscure to have that kind of demand from the fans to warrant re-pressings.

People make up a lot of stories in attempt to cover up the truth and hide information from collectors. Look how many people paid $180-$300 for re-issues before the word got out about it? It was all just a blanketing tactic that I think the guy made up so that he can't be blamed for taking advantage of people.

I believe that there are two pressings of this CD, the original from 1992 and the re-press/re-issue from 2009.

Nebuchadnezzar wrote:

Avenger wrote:Why don't one of you guy’s just contact me for details about the original Entropy? The only reason I won't spread such details publicly is because we don't need bootleggers making identical matrix "Ashen Existence" CD's. Yes, it was made in the same "DISQUE AMERIC" plant as the old Fringe CD's. It also has a silver ring around the clear plastic part where the matrix is visible from both sides. The disc itself is of that thick heavy plastic early CD style, the kind that can't be reproduced anymore it seems and there is no IFPI Code. Keep in mind that all CD's prior to 1994 didn't have one.

Either way, yes, there is finally a re-issue that's similar but I think that in the end these stories about 2nd, 3rd re-pressings from '92 are bullshit. This band was never big enough and far too obscure to have that kind of demand from the fans to warrant re-pressings.

People make up a lot of stories in attempt to cover up the truth and hide information from collectors. Look how many people paid $180-$300 for re-issues before the word got out about it? It was all just a blanketing tactic that I think the guy made up so that he can't be blamed for taking advantage of people.

I believe that there are two pressings of this CD, the original from 1992 and the re-press/re-issue from 2009.

I just saw that crappy message. Man, you have a serious problem in mind (ok I knew that already lol!). Each copy was sold by me was the original. If you can't understand that simple fact because your iq is smaller than butterfly's it's YOUR problem, so get lost and stop spit on my name. Period

Nebuchadnezzar wrote:Who was that "guy"??

perishinflames wrote:

Nebuchadnezzar wrote:Who was that "guy"??

I thought it was fairly obvious he was talking about Dan Lauzon, the guitarist who made the new batch and told the stories about there being tons of different pressings. It was quite obvious from the pictures that yours were not from this new batch. Relax man.