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sovdat wrote:http://www.ebay.com/itm/OZ-Vintage-Conc ... 519b87bb01



edit: just checked his other listings

The seller actually sold a Corrosion of Conformity T-Shirt for $360 a while ago.

Khnud wrote:

sovdat wrote:http://www.ebay.com/itm/OZ-Vintage-Conc ... 519b87bb01



edit: just checked his other listings

The seller actually sold a Corrosion of Conformity T-Shirt for $360 a while ago.

Reseller. Buys with shadow accounts and tries to make a profit selling high with his main account. In other words: scum.

humus wrote:In other words: scum.

That's a little harsh I think. No different than record dealers. Free market, buy low, sell high, etc.

perishinflames wrote:

humus wrote:In other words: scum.

That's a little harsh I think. No different than record dealers. Free market, buy low, sell high, etc.

I think most record dealers are scum too. The ones who would go over bodies to gain more money/prestige objects for their collection.
There are others, but please let us acknowledge that our beloved world of metal collectors has it's fair share of assholes.

humus wrote:
I think most record dealers are scum too. The ones who would go over bodies to gain more money/prestige objects for their collection.
There are others, but please let us acknowledge that our beloved world of metal collectors has it's fair share of assholes.

http://www.thecorroseum.com/phpbb2/view ... sc&start=0
He,he... Where were you, man, a month ago?? This thread would have been the perfect place to express your point of view and I could use some extra support!

ION BRITTON wrote:
Not necessarily and especially when we are talking about more underground bands whose music interests only a limited number of people and whose albums were pressed in very small quantities years ago and are hard to find these days. IMO not all who have already spent a fair amount of money on a bootleg will instantly grab the official release when and if it is out. That basically regards the case where the bootleg precedes the official release. Some will buy it, some will think about it twice before spending more money for something they already have and some simply won't buy it again. By having illegal mp3s of a long ago OOP album in your possession you aren't actually harming the sales when no official release is out yet and probably when one occurs chances are that you will try to buy it, that is if you do like the music. The thing here is not which of the two is less illegal than the other, both are stolen music anyway, however IMO there are cases where an illegally circulating mp3 isn't exactly ripping the band off in the worst possible way.
On the other hand, the quality of some bootlegs is simply shit. No difference with mp3s that are circulating on the internet. Example, I recently bought the NECROVORE DLP. The package is fantastic, but I hear no difference in the sound quality with the mp3s I already had. I spent 20 euros for an amazingly looking bootleg that was as listenable as the mp3s I had. Owning something in a physical format doesn't mean much to me in this case.

Good points. You are correct: when no official copy is 'in press', then circulating copies in ANY format is not cheating anyone out of any sales. My main point, as you also stated, is that mp3s are a type of illegal copy, and I wonder why Trigger is OK with one type of illegal copy (mp3s) but aggressively opposed to another type of illegal copy (bootleg vinyl).

And yes, there's no guarantee that a reissue has decent sound or packaging; we've all bought reissues and thought, 'WTF? My old boot copy is just as nice as this".

Ok,listening to music is not illegal.This is what you do when you listen to mp3 files.The illegal act is to reproduce the music in to a physical format without owing any rights.Again,i believe these 3 lines in tiny letters on the back of every official release out there under the "WARNING" headline are to prevent from NOT buying rather than to warn from making an illegal deed.
Personally,I buy and almost never download,but I will listen to free music,now that the average quantity of new releases is like 100 or so (making a random guess that even if the actual number is way far off this one,it is still an extreme number to "officially" follow) and I can't buy just everything around.As long as I feel I do what I ought to,ie to buy to the extend that my salary allows me or even a bit more when I (usually) get out of hand,I feel no remorse of harming anyone by listening from the internet.Nobody will prevent me from listening to music buy saying mp3 is illegal.We run a fanzine and the new issue (just like the previous one) is full of reviews,where 95% was bought by us and the rest are extremely few promos sent to us(and that we of course never asked for),downloads with the consent of the label that released the album for reviewing purposes,a couple of albums that are alrewady offered on the band site for free and a precise number of 4-5 albums that we downlaoded and we actually intent to buy but haven't yet.
On the other hand,what I wonder about is why all of you are opposing to bootlegs as much as I do and whine about them being there,but when you see one for a good price you don't really care.I really wonder do you disagree with bootlegging or you disagree with it under certain conditions?I can't understand a point like "since this record costs 1000$ (???,who decides about this price really?),I prefer it to be bootlegged to acquire it".

Sounds like you do a nice job of running your zine the right way, kudos.

Sorry, but just b/c mp3s can be heard for free online, that doesn't make them any less illegal. That's just another rationalization for doing what you want to do while pretending it doesn't break the rules. Unless the mp3s are played through a licensed site, like Pandora, listening/ dowloading for free is indeed illegal. And id doesn't matter how many new releases there are, that doesn't justify getting illegal copies. No one can keep up with all the new releases- even if you an afford to buy them, who has the time to listen to them all? I find it so strange that so many people today think they are entitled to hear every single song recorded. I don't mean to sound snobby, but no one is entitled to hear music.

To be clear, I have never made a ruckus about bootlegs, so I am not someone who makes a stink about 1 type of copy and is fine with another type. I only get pissed when someone tries selling a fake as an original. Call me amoral, but bootlegs have never incensed my outrage the way they do for most folks. My comments about mp3s above are just stating the facts, I'm not trying to condem mp3s while turning a blind eye to physical copy boots. Boots have been around forever, and some people pay huge prices for them. I rarely get them myself, and I VERY rarely pay very much for one, but that's just me.

The WARZWOLF boot went for $225, by the way.
I thought the highest bid would be something like $20, but this is just insane.

Nasty Uwe wrote:The WARZWOLF boot went for $225, by the way.
I thought the highest bid would be something like $20, but this is just insane.

Actually I'd say that's not insane at all. The Solar Eagle boots continued to sell in the $150-200 range long after everyone knew they were boots. The 'From the Fjords' boot typically sells for $80-150 and everyone can spot that boot easily. Same for things like the Zaxas boot and the Solar Eagle demo boot. Iron Maiden, King Diamond, Mercyful Fate, etc bootlegs sell for $100++ every day on ebay. So no, I'm not surprised at all that a boot of something as rare as Warzwolf brought this amount. I myself am not about to pay that much for a boot, but others can and will and do every single day, so it shouldn't be surprising.

Hummmm

http://www.ebay.com/itm/IRON-MAIDEN-2-M ... 19ce5d2acf

Astra Wally wrote:Hummmm

http://www.ebay.com/itm/IRON-MAIDEN-2-M ... 19ce5d2acf

reserve not met!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/260972808163?ss ... 1438.l2649

Reserve met!

Khnud wrote:http://www.ebay.com/itm/260972808163?ss ... 1438.l2649

Reserve met!

Nice, but not that much surprising.