vxn123 wrote:Daniel don't be so sure that obscure masterpieces are always made known. When I heard THYNN ICE (TEST PRESS) for first time I couldn't believe my ears....and If I hadn't decided to share the recording this would be now known only to a handful of people. But I don't think the rare stuff deserved to be given to all metalheads. Just to give you an example: 2 years ago I started to share ultra obscure stuff not only through my blog but to other sites also....this stuff included DEZARK, MONARCH, CRY etc etc...many Greeks told mainly in Greek forums that I wanted to just to impress and think I am an elitist...few of them appreciated my sharing....then I stopped.....perhaps it's better rare stuff to be given only to those who really think it's something for them....
John,
unfortunately these guys whining, they just don't understand that this makes it even less likely someone wants to share with them. Who likes people that complain? Not everyone has the desire to sit around and rip their entire collection just to satisfy them.
daniel wrote:so I don't see the logic behind people buying something and saying haha I'm not going to let other people hear this.
This is a pathological maladaptive state! Don't try to understand people with such kind of behaviour.
Dude....you have no idea how fucked up these people are....
I know a guy who is nuts.....out of his mind......he spends 20-30 hours a week digging for records.....he takes trips for like 10 days at a time.....drives 3,000 miles and spends $1,000's of dollars just to seek out rare records.....what an idiot!!!
Dude climbs in attics...in basements.....in snake infested barns...JUST TO LOOK FOR RECORDS!!! Can you imagine such insanity??
But the absolute worst part is that when he finds some bullshit unknown Metal LP...HE DOESN'T GIVE IT TO ME!!! ME god dammit....MEEEEEEE.
I DESERVE to hear this.....it's my RIGHT!!!! And this dude doesn't even give it to me for free....WTF!!!
daniel wrote:so I don't see the logic behind people buying something and saying haha I'm not going to let other people hear this.
This is a pathological maladaptive state! Don't try to understand people with such kind of behaviour.
Dude....you have no idea how fucked up these people are....
I know a guy who is nuts.....out of his mind......he spends 20-30 hours a week digging for records.....he takes trips for like 10 days at a time.....drives 3,000 miles and spends $1,000's of dollars just to seek out rare records.....what an idiot!!!
Dude climbs in attics...in basements.....in snake infested barns...JUST TO LOOK FOR RECORDS!!! Can you imagine such insanity??
But the absolute worst part is that when he finds some bullshit unknown Metal LP...HE DOESN'T GIVE IT TO ME!!! ME god dammit....MEEEEEEE.
I DESERVE to hear this.....it's my RIGHT!!!! And this dude doesn't even give it to me for free....WTF!!!
Yeah, I think that answer shows the kind of personality a lot of collectors have, which is all about ego. If I hunted a certain rare record then I and only I have the right to listen to it. Well, the rest of the people don't want to steal your LP. It's yours and you pay for it so you can do whatever you want with it, but there's a lot of people who would like to at least have a chance to listen to that rare record. Of course, nobody is forced to rip and share, and that's how it's the perfect way to see how people really are. Sure, there are plenty of collectors who might not have the knowdelge or hardware/software or time to rip and upload, but there's people who do it just out of ego. They could do it with a minimal effort yet they decided not to because they think they're so important they can decide which band should be listened and which shouldn't be. Funny thing is that all those people don't hesitate for a second when it comes to download something than someone else ripped and shared.
However, I'm glad that this forum is full of people who are decent enough to share their rare stuff that probably nobody else knows without any trace of egomaniac greed.
Sometimes the responses on this forum just make me shake my head in disbelief.
Vxn: I'm sorry you've experienced such attitudes, that sucks, but as you said not everyone reacted that way, and people here wouldn't. There will always be people trying to put you down no matter what you do, the best thing to do is just try rise above it.
Rob and Rockadelic:
WELL, seems people can easily forget the privileges they are born into. It's easer to say 'hey go to Texas and dig for the record' when you live in the US than in another country, it's easy to adapt a sort of arrogant attitude about certain rare records when you have been born in a place it is easier to find such, and have lived at the right time to come across things at decent prices. I certainly think it shows overwhelming arrogance to essentially fault people for not being from where you are, because opportunity is a huge part of this 'business'; who's to say what people would do for the love of records if they had better prospects. Is driving around Russia on a Lada looking for records going to yield as much as a trip in the US early 90's? Damn those dirty Russians for not flying to the US, they can get stuffed for wanting to hear DAT RECORD.
That's the attitude I get from the comment on 'whining'.
Like Cochino said, when you find a record, IT'S YOURS, ain't nobody climbing in your windows to rob you. I have bought the vinyls I have because I craved to have that piece of history in my hands, and I also go rooting for things for the excitement of it, and enjoy taking chances on records I haven't heard. When I get something, and yeah it isn't ever anything ultra-obscure that supposedly near no one else has heard, but still, I have no problem whatsoever ripping the music and sharing it. Just like I did before I had a computer, I'd make compilation tapes for people, without them asking, because I love music and the feeling it gives me and I've enjoyed sharing that feeling. There have been times I admit when maybe I felt a bit like 'well don't forget it was me that introduced you to this band'(without saying it), but that is all down to EGO and it is an undesireable aspect of personality so I'm glad I've moved on from that.
- The slight same feeling arose during the discussion about metal blogs, like Strappado's, since he would just take whatever rips without crediting the original uploader and on top of that add his own damn blogspot name to each file, but that doesn't bother me anymore either really, can't do anything about these kids hoarding stuff like the house is going to set on fire tomorrow - I don't respect them, but you know they're going to be that way no matter what and a bunch of MP3s isn't much to be proud of.
So, like stated, sharing the MUSIC of a record doesn't detract from anyone's efforts to acquire the physical product, it only detracts from people's ego, and yeah says a lot about the person in question. Now, I thinks it's dumb portraying every person asking for the chance to hear something rare as greedy fat kids jumping around at a sweet shop shouting ME ME ME, that's retarded, by that logic shouldn't EVERYONE EVER asking to hear something fall into that category, or could it be so that it's an easy stance to take when on the other side of the fence and in no need.
I've ripped a whole lot of records and made a whole lot of tapes and CD-Rs over the years, maybe too many people weren't interested, maybe the stuff wasn't 'rare' enough to deem me cool, well I don't regret any of it, I wanted to do it and I enjoyed it. If YOU(whoever) are a person that feels totally different about it, fine I guess but don't start calling out everyone else who has a different opinion, and, yes this discussion is about differing opinions but one is more negative so no need to revert to some childish 'well why should you be right' over and over.
Are you the tyrant, who cast them to the sea?
One day you'll be among the dead.
ALARM ALARM, time to shut down the Poisonoise forum, all just a bunch of whining faggots who know nothing about the sacrifices craved to become THE METALLIÄN.
Btw Rockadelic, this wasn't the first time I thought you said something stupid, recalling your arguments on ownership of music etc.
Are you the tyrant, who cast them to the sea?
One day you'll be among the dead.
Split from 'Texas Metal' thread. We've already had a similar thread but I think this one is interesting enough and there's no need to merge it with the old one./Mod
Good against Evil, Evil sure to win
"It really didn't matter if they liked it or not, i was going to give it to them straight down their throats" -John Stewart
you know what Daniel, you need to get a grip on reality.
You think I'm born into some privilege? Give me a fucking break, you know nothing about me or my life. You don't live in a ultra poor 3rd world country either. I've earned every cent I've have. If I wanted to travel to Europe to hunt for records with my own money because I wanted to, guess what? I would do it. And I have, multiple times. If I really felt the need to go to Texas, or any other place, to hunt, I would figure out how to do it. I continue to find good metal at a fair price because I look for it and don't wonder that I'm not getting the 'privilege'. You think it is easy to find 'rare' records because of where I live? Well you don't know anything about the deadzone of rare records that is Oregon then. IT is a LONG way to any good record stores from here, probably farther that it would be to cross the country you live in. And am I complaining about it? No.
I'm not faulting anyone for where they live, you just think this way for some bizarre reason. If some guy from Greece wanted to come to any country and hunt for records, save up money and do it. That is exactly what I've done when I've traveled. Simple common sense there.
I've shared and continue to share many things, music, knowledge, good fun, etc. on this forum and others at times, and will continue to..
enough of my rant, I'm done. I wrote some really rude shit but deleted it all, you should count yourself lucky Daniel.
Hahaha, you single out one part of my post and go ballistic, and then think I should count myself lucky you didn't insult me more, as if insults are some great reply. Why is it that you're 'done now', cos you can't swallow your stupid pride and consider the other parts of my post? The reality I see is a bunch of rude and arrogant comments where less would be sufficient(referring to earlier).
You misinterpreted my comment on privileges, that word does not necessarily mean everything is fine and dandy but it does entail that SOME things are easier based on the fact that you live in the US and we're talking about US records here. It's not about thinking you had some rich family, but you'd know that if you looked beyond the fact that I offended you and try understand the implication. I look for records, I've been in other countries looking for records, it's beside the point, it's also largely beside the point how far it is to travel anywhere in the US because the real question is about calling people whiners and greedy for asking to hear something they will most likely never ever come across physically - and that's what I got from YOUR comment on how ridiculous it is people don't just get out there then, you don't know anything about other people's lives wither. Or is it the case that people in shitty situations shouldn't even be commenting on rare records and wondering, or should everyone just pucker up and do hard work and get the money, well the world doesn't work like that.
Are you the tyrant, who cast them to the sea?
One day you'll be among the dead.
You made it a more serious issue than it really is and I don't really see who's to say who SHOULD and who SHOULD NOT listen to a record when it's rare and it's rediculous even trying to keep the music secret,ok don't share info and details on obtaining it,but the music?I don't think Rob belongs to those Daniel and the rest were talking about in the first place,since you have repeatedly shared fiels here,but I do remember the not-sharing-one posting a file of a totally unknown single here and out of the blue this was sold on ebay a while later.....So claiming "I don't share music because of my belief" it's at least crap!
I remember back in days when I was younger, if you happened to come by a cool tape, you just went ahead and make copies (even at your own expense) and share them with the folks around you. People just loved to share what they’d discovered. More importantly, you understood that if you just kept all goodies only to yourself, you could very well end up a fuckard living in your lone world. No one would give a hoot about those 'stuff' you hid under your bed.
Today internet and technology bring the world closer but people become more “selfish”?
I have a slightly different theory: If a very rare record sells, but never gets ripped, I tend to suspect that the music wasn't all that great. By not sharing it, interest in the item is maintained. If it were to be ripped and blogged, and people found out it was mediocre - demand would drop.
