Black Sabbath ... the gods ...

great_knuthulhu · Post by **great_knuthulhu** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 11:45 am

I rate Dio and Ozzy period Sabbath about equally high. The last Ozzy albums weren't all that good, and Heaven and Hell and The Mob Rules were fantastick albums. I even love it when Dio does Ozzy songs on Live Evil.

Good to see some love for Born Again as well. The production on it is a bit off, there are "filler" songs, but over all it's still a very good album. Actually, Sabbath did some good songs with Tony Martin too, so people who like more melodic 80s metal should definitely check that out if they haven't (even though those releases seem pale and ordinary when compared to the best Sabbath releases).

Brainbiter · Post by **Brainbiter** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:19 pm

Heaven and Hell is the fist BS album I listened to and it probably saved my life once or twice in the past. Still love it. I can't listen to Mob Rules though, it's the same album all over again.
The first one is a light-consuming monolith that fell from the sky. It defines despair, doom and heaviness and, in my books, is responsible for a huge part of the Heavy Metal aesthetic code. The Black Sabbath LP still sounds otherworldly.
The next 4 are nearly as good, though I tend to listen to Volume 4 more often than the others, skipping the dreadful Changes, oh I'm going through changes.... Evil Whinny Dwarf Ozzy From The Future alert!
People should definitely check out the Toni Martin albums. Mr. Iommi still had some good riffs to deliver and Martin has a great voice.

And, I almost forgot to mention that I physically hate Born Again.

ION BRITTON · Post by **ION BRITTON** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:30 pm

Brainbiter wrote: And, I almost forgot to mention that I physically hate Born Again.

Uuuhmmm, Ian Gillan is your favourite singer right?

BTW, someone mentioned above a couple of his favorite Sabbath songs. Good idea i think. Which ones are your faves? Here's some of mine:

Battle of Tyr/Odin's Court/Valhalla
Kill in the spirit world
Falling off the edge of the world
Die young
Glory ride
The seventh star
The warning (yes it rips)
Never say die
A national acrobat
Born again

omen of hate · Post by **omen of hate** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:47 pm

great_knuthulhu wrote: I even love it when Dio does Ozzy songs on Live Evil.

Great !! I love Dio's interpretation of Ozzy's era classics !! "Live Evil" is one of the best live album ever released.

Some of my fave SABBATH songs are :

Zero the Hero
Iron Man
Heaven & Hell
Electric Funeral
Symptom of the Universe
Voodoo
Into the Void
The Sign of the Southern Cross
Changes
Children of the Sea

I don't know much about SABBATH's albums post "Born again", I only have "Tyr" and the album recorded with Glen Hughes. It's been more than 5 years that I promised to listen seriously to the Tony Martin's era, but never found the time.

Cochino · Post by **Cochino** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:29 pm

Favorite songs:
Black Sabbath
The Wizard
Behind The Wall Of Sleep
NIB
Symptom Of The Universe
After Forever
Sweet Leaf
Hand Of Doom
Under The Sun
Supernaut
Cornucopia
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, etc

Yeah, all the Ozzy classics.

Brainbiter · Post by **Brainbiter** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:58 pm

ION BRITTON wrote:
Brainbiter wrote: And, I almost forgot to mention that I physically hate Born Again.
Uuuhmmm, Ian Gillan is your favourite singer right?

No, Gillan is OK when he sings in Deep Purple. It's just that Gillan's voice doesn't mix well with the Sabbath sound. It's like I'm listening to 2 albums playing together.
Rainbow+Sabbath= good idea. Deep Purple+Sabbath= one of the worst ideas in rock history, recorded under one of the worst album covers.

Somebody from Greece would probably bring this up sooner or later: search in youtube for "Gillan get away" and enjoy a timeless classic.

Favorite BS songs:
Black Sabbath
NIB
Sleeping Village
Electric Funeral
Into the Void
Wheels of Confusion
Under the Sun
Hole in the Sky
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
Killing Yourself to Live
Neon Knights
Heaven and Hell (Well, if it seems to be real, it's illusion. For every moment of truth, there's confusion in life)
Die Young

The most embarrassing BS song apart from the likes of Changes, Am I Going Insane etc:
Sweet Leaf. I used to love that song. The riff is HUGE but the lyrics are stupid, stupid, stupid.

ION BRITTON · Post by **ION BRITTON** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:08 pm

Brainbiter wrote:Deep Purple+Sabbath= one of the worst ideas in rock history, recorded under one of the worst album covers.

Sabbath have done worse in the past: see Sabotage cover

Helm · Post by **Helm** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:47 pm

The sabotage cover is CLASS hahah

favourite songs?

Black Sabbath above all else. Yes, the whole album.

Symptom of the Universe, of course
Battle of Tyr/Odin's Court/Valhalla
Supernaut
Children of the Grave
Hand of Doom!

and my favourite Sabbath cover is by Type O Negative on the song Paranoid.

great_knuthulhu · Post by **great_knuthulhu** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 6:31 pm

omen of hate wrote:
great_knuthulhu wrote: I even love it when Dio does Ozzy songs on Live Evil.
Great !! I love Dio's interpretation of Ozzy's era classics !! "Live Evil" is one of the best live album ever released.

Agree totally. A monument of an album.

omen of hate wrote:Some of my fave SABBATH songs are :

Zero the Hero
Iron Man
Heaven & Hell
Electric Funeral
Symptom of the Universe
Voodoo
Into the Void
The Sign of the Southern Cross
Changes
Children of the Sea

The rest are great, but Changes?! I mean, really?!

omen of hate wrote:I don't know much about SABBATH's albums post "Born again", I only have "Tyr" and the album recorded with Glen Hughes. It's been more than 5 years that I promised to listen seriously to the Tony Martin's era, but never found the time.

They're worth investigating. Martin has a pretty good, if a bit anonymous, voice and Iommi could still write good tunes and riffs.

Brainbiter wrote:The most embarrassing BS song apart from the likes of Changes, Am I Going Insane etc:
Sweet Leaf. I used to love that song. The riff is HUGE but the lyrics are stupid, stupid, stupid.

Don't agree at all. I may not agree with the subject matter, but I think the lyrics are pretty good as lyrics go. Inserting cocaine in a lyric set up in the ways of a love song isn't exactly original, wasn't even at the time, but I feel they did it pretty well.

Black Axe · Post by **Black Axe** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 8:58 pm

Changes is great song!

I don't see enough people mentioning Wheels Of Confusion as one of their favourite Sabbath songs!

Brainbiter · Post by **Brainbiter** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 8:59 pm

great_knuthulhu wrote:
Brainbiter wrote:The most embarrassing BS song apart from the likes of Changes, Am I Going Insane etc:
Sweet Leaf. I used to love that song. The riff is HUGE but the lyrics are stupid, stupid, stupid.
Don't agree at all. I may not agree with the subject matter, but I think the lyrics are pretty good as lyrics go. Inserting cocaine in a lyric set up in the ways of a love song isn't exactly original, wasn't even at the time, but I feel they did it pretty well.

Just listened to it again.
I can say that I feel only half-embarassed when the volume is up but I can't avoid the mental image of a wasted Ozzy bending over that "sweet leaf" screaming "I L-O-V-E you sweet leaf! ...though you can't hear..." with tears in his eyes and Geezer comforting him "It's ok mate, it's ok..."
It's not the topic that I find so stupid (like you said, other bands have done this many times), it's the dead-seriousness of the lyrics. You gave to me a new belief.

ION BRITTON wrote:Sabbath have done worse in the past: see Sabotage cover

Helm wrote:The sabotage cover is CLASS hahah

The Sabotage cover is cl-ASS in red spandex. Very disturbing stuff... Still, not a match for the red devil baby with the yellow fangs and the tail.

Nightlock · Post by **Nightlock** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:25 pm

Am I the only one that finds Nightwing a favourite

?

Helm · Post by **Helm** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 1:45 am

Say what you will but it takes a real man (read: Bill Ward) to step into those tights for a photoshoot that would end up on an album everyone would buy. I wonder how many times he's signed on his crotch on that one.

Brainbiter · Post by **Brainbiter** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 2:08 am

Helm wrote:I wonder how many times he's signed on his crotch on that one.

Disturbing stuff, I tell you.... Black Sabbath...the gods.

ION BRITTON · Post by **ION BRITTON** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:18 am

Nightlock wrote:Am I the only one that finds Nightwing a favourite ?

Amazing track from an equally amazing album. Brian May throws a solo on this one if i remember right.