
JAW PALM, TOOTH SHOULDER etc etc
Isn't that the point of the Corroseum in general? Seriously though, what does that have to do with it? I'm talking about bands that have become seemingly popular over night, when they are very generic... But then again, since when is that anything new? What is surprising is that Traditional Metal is what has become the new fad so far. This exploded as soon as Cauldron signed to Earache.MEXDefenderOfSteel wrote: you should make a list of what new bands suck and which are "tr00" in your opinion
Perhaps not, but I will say I find them as generic and as dull as the bands I listed them with. Even IN SOLITUDE don't do that much for me, and RAM are quite good despite their connection to that godawful band WATAIN... As for live, I cannot tell about ENFORCER since I haven't seen them. I can watch videos perhaps online, but that is not the same.Bane wrote: For one, Enforcer have been around for as long as Cauldron so the don't fit into the whole "clone" equation. I also wouldn't put them in the same category as White Wizzard and the rest of the bands you mentioned. I find them pretty damn enjoyable and not as, say, limp-wristed as some of the others.
I never said they shouldn't, I just said I find it odd. I see it perhaps the same as The Sword playing Hammer of Doom festival for example. I would see a lot of people exploding over how The Sword are false, cliche, and generic, but will you argue that they are any more or less sincere than perhaps bands like Cauldron? I think it's a fair analogy to make. Ultimately it is up to the organizers, and I don't want to question their tastes but I think music like this is pretty damn shallow and it's making it seem like these bands are as legitimate as acts as say Atlantean Kodex, who are really infinitely more interesting and I think their sound is much more epic and risky than the "play-it-safe" and accessible sound of these "new" heavy metal bands. Ultimately, it's up to the promoters to pick a band and have them play, but they can't expect me to not criticize the band or say they suck ass since I don't think that's what metal is about. If something pisses you off, you need to shout it out!The long and short of it is, why shouldn't bands like Enforcer, Skull Fist etc play traditional metal festivals like Up The Hammers? They play traditional metal. Granted, not to everyone's liking, but there are plenty of people who like them and like it or not the decision lies with the organisers in the end. Sure, there are other bands I would rather see play, but I have long since stopped pointing fingers at bands I don't like and saying they aren't deserving of a place on the line-up... because who the hell am I to say that?? My opinion holds no weight when it comes to dictating who is or isn't entitled to play a gig or festival.
The thing about the occult, funerals, Satan, wizards, epic fantasy and all that is that it really isn't as accessible as say singing about partying, getting loaded, girls, etc. Hell, it's how I think you present those lyrics and themes though. Like Witchfinder General's "No Stayer" for example. It's much less cheesy, much more hard-hitting, and has way more TEETH! Really, that's all it comes down to for me, whether a band has teeth to me, and I really think Cauldron, Skull Fist, Holy Grail, and White Wizzard don't at all.Also, cliched song titles don't grind on me at all. Heavy metal is rampant with cliches, whether it's in song titles, lyrical content or the moves bands perform on stage. How many Doom bands can you name who sing about the occult, funerals, Satan, wizards (!!) and so on?? It's nigh on impossible to be original in Heavy metal these days. I say: GOOD! Bands ought to spend less time trying to reinvent the wheel and more time playing music that they're passionate about.
They aren't to my liking, but when I see about 5 bands who appear out of nowhere doing essentially the same thing and they all have each other in their friends list on MySpace, the word "fad" comes to mind right away. I think being skeptical about new bands and new movements shouldn't derive from anything except how they sound, which I think is pretty lame and as Cronos said "for the chicks"Which brings me back to your post. Those bands you mentioned mightn't be to your/our liking but who are we to say whether or not they're passionate about what they do? Maybe I'm getting old or something, but I'm growing tired of all the negativity in the underground scene. I'm not suggesting people start biting their lips and not speaking their mind for one second - I will always speak my mind - but there are various things in the underground scene that, for the want of a better phrase, have been getting on my tits lately.
Hey man, for about every 100 threads about bands we love, there has to be one where there is a discussion about where you feel Heavy Metal is going and who the most popular bands at the time are, and where they think they are taking it. White Wizzard for example loudly boast that they're saving heavy metal. YOu can't say something like that without someone calling them for their bullshit!These kind of threads being one of those things. We can sit infront of our computers and moan about how these signed bands are soulless and undeserving of their success and yada yada yada, OR... we can start threads about the bands we actually like, the bands we want to support and see succeed.
I'm rambling and I'm not even sure if any of that makes sense, but I have 3 more hours in work until I can have a beer and I have to waste it doing something
- Barry
...which was three years after I heard the first Enforcer demo and watched them play live for the first time.FuneralCircle wrote:This exploded as soon as Cauldron signed to Earache.
But that's the thing, I don't think bands from the 80s are universally good as well. I usually skip most of the typical sounding Heavy Metal acts to listen to say Satan, Cirith Ungol, or Fates Warning, who sounded much different from the rest of the stuff.Dodens Grav wrote:They're no different than all of the bands that sounded the same in the 80s who get free passes due to their 'contemporary' status.