The Corroseum forum (new design under construction)

I voted War and Pain, but I also love Killing Technology just as much, haha. If I remember correctly, Voïvod has hinted that they might try to write new songs with Dan Mongrain (the guitarist that replaces Piggy) so who knows that this will bring... I will see him tomorrow so I will ask him. I'll let you guys know.

I've never been a big Voivod fan. Killing Technology is the only one that I thought was really good. As for the others I've heard:

War and Pain: Crap
Dimension Hatross: OK, but a little too artsy-fartsy. Also, the vocals are terrible
Assorted songs from Angel Rat, The Outer Limits, and Voivod: Shitty alternative rock

If you don't mind me asking DMR, what do you not like about War and Pain? Is it too rough, too primitive? Or maybe a bit too punk for your tastes?

rrroooaaaarrr all the way for me. total steamroller of an album. to the death!

Shitty alternative rock???!!!

I don't care how you call their style on those albums, but 'shitty' they ain't!

It's just not your taste.

voted war and pain, but i love the first 4. the rest are fucking garbage.

Satannick wrote:If you don't mind me asking DMR, what do you not like about War and Pain? Is it too rough, too primitive? Or maybe a bit too punk for your tastes?

I got rid of my copy a while ago, so I don't remember it too well. It did seem rather primitive and sloppy. I'm not a big fan of that kind of thrash to begin with.

Lama wrote:Shitty alternative rock???!!!

I don't care how you call their style on those albums, but 'shitty' they ain't!

It's just not your taste.

Holy shit, I was expecting people to give me grief for slamming War and Pain, but I never thought anyone would defend those albums. I guess Cold Lake and Load are good albums too, they're just not my taste...

Well, most metalheads I know love those later Voïvod-albums. But I don't know anybody who likes "Load" or "Cold Lake"... So the comparison between those two sets of albums isn't the best one...

But hey, as you stated earlier, you're not a big Voïvod-fan, so why should I bother?

Case closed.

Lama wrote:But I don't know anybody who likes "Load" or "Cold Lake"

Well, now you do! Stormspell has said that Cold Lake is his favourite CF album

cold lake is a good album. it's just not a good celtic frost album.

Are we really discussing "Cold Lake" here??? We're going downhill fast...

Isn't Nothingface part of the same sort of discussion.

jared wrote:cold lake is a good album. it's just not a good celtic frost album.

"Cold Lake" isn't anything special, but it doesn't bother me either. I think it's listenable. /end continuation of the off-topicness

Black Axe wrote:Isn't Nothingface part of the same sort of discussion.

No, not at all.
For me, Voivod's strength was always in their ability to incorporate their willingness to experiment into the recording of each of their albums, be it punk, psychedelia, speed (or lack of), prog-rock, "alternative", hell, there's even some jazz influence in Piggy's guitar work and the structuring of some of the songs.
"Nothingface" was merely where they were at at that particular time, no two Voivod albums were exactly alike. Not all of their records did "it" for me, but i applaud them for always taking chances musically.
I can't think of too many bands who stuck it out for so long without taking the easy option of "going commercial", or (the perhaps even easier option) of merely repeating themselves.
Your comment seems to suggest that you see "Nothingface", as some kind of ""sell out", it's far from being that. They're merely showing another side of this most multi-faceted of bands. Whilst it's certainly not as raw as their earlier work, it has many other qualities which work in it's favour, and is still heavy as hell in it's own idiosyncratic way.
"War & Pain", it isn't, but they'd already made that album. To make it again would have been stagnation and repetition, that was never the Voivod way.
As a listener, i love to be challenged, and as musicians (can i say artists?), Voivod never ever let me down in that respect.

bigfootkit wrote:I can't think of too many bands who stuck it out for so long without taking the easy option of "going commercial", or (the perhaps even easier option) of merely repeating themselves.

What I've heard from Angel Rat and the Outer Limits sounds exactly like the stuff that was being played on Alternative Nation at the time. How is that not going commericial? I could buy the experimental/progression excuse if they switched to a style that wasn't one of the most trendy ones at the time. Also, the last couple albums were a return to that style, so they did repeat themselves.