15yo "Masters Of Metal"...?

[ION BRITTON]

I reckon you haven't heard a single note from SACRED WARRIOR, OMEGA POINT, SCARLET RAYNE or LETHAL either. That would make sense...not being interested in 'RYCHE sound at all.

I hope at least you have heard a couple of ACCEPT's albums and know how Udo's voice sounds like...

[humus]

I'm 26 and I don't have any Queensryche or Accept LPs.
I wouldn't even know what Queensryche sounds like.
But I love Lester Maddox and Lord Ryur

But you look 15
I'm part of the 'looking younger then you are' movement too by the way.

[MassOfKthulu]

hey did i post on this thread and dont remember??
times have changed,we 'old people' (i just turned 30) remember what it was like to catch a train just to go get a tape of medieval steel someone dubbed for us and listen to it for months.
this is gone,there is way too much information around,tapes became rapidshare and precious vinyl became megaupload
its ridiculous when kids know randy and virtue and havent heard a note of persian risk or hollow ground,what can i say,its a sign of the ages.
But i still have my old tapes,and i ll always have them,a token of a time when we all hang out in clubs and squares and outside gigs and spending time online was considered gay.

[ION BRITTON]

hey did i post on this thread and dont remember??

I was reading again and again all the posts before nightsblood posted, and yes, couldn't see your name anywhere...thought i was dizzy from work

[Glockose]

hey did i post on this thread and dont remember??
times have changed,we 'old people' (i just turned 30) remember what it was like to catch a train just to go get a tape of medieval steel someone dubbed for us and listen to it for months.
this is gone,there is way too much information around,tapes became rapidshare and precious vinyl became megaupload
its ridiculous when kids know randy and virtue and havent heard a note of persian risk or hollow ground,what can i say,its a sign of the ages.
But i still have my old tapes,and i ll always have them,a token of a time when we all hang out in clubs and squares and outside gigs and spending time online was considered gay.

I just turned (40) there was no internet in my day OR in the day when these bands came out.

It's what I call the "order of things" These days folks can down load anything at any time. So they skip all the major stuff and head right to the Lord Ryur / Warzwolf. And dont understand all then came before.

Sometimes I feel sorry for those folks. It's like Jumping to the end of a good book and finding out what happens before you start.

I guess it's kool that we all get to the same point but the RIDE was the best part (At least for me)

[ION BRITTON]

hey did i post on this thread and dont remember??
times have changed,we 'old people' (i just turned 30) remember what it was like to catch a train just to go get a tape of medieval steel someone dubbed for us and listen to it for months.
this is gone,there is way too much information around,tapes became rapidshare and precious vinyl became megaupload
its ridiculous when kids know randy and virtue and havent heard a note of persian risk or hollow ground,what can i say,its a sign of the ages.
But i still have my old tapes,and i ll always have them,a token of a time when we all hang out in clubs and squares and outside gigs and spending time online was considered gay.

I just turned (40) there was no internet in my day OR in the day when these bands came out.

It's what I call the "order of things" These days folks can down load anything at any time. So they skip all the major stuff and head right to the Lord Ryur / Warzwolf. And dont understand all then came before.

Sometimes I feel sorry for those folks. It's like Jumping to the end of a good book and finding out what happens before you start.

I guess it's kool that we all get to the same point but the RIDE was the best part (At least for me)

Very well said, glockose. It's good to know that some people see what i see in the metal youth of today.

[tomas]

@humus:
Hey! According to most people, I look 18 or 19!


I travelled the path most of us did. I went from famous stuff (Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Morbid Angel, ...) to more obscure stuff, and I think that's still the way it 'should' be. But on the other hand, I only have two Iron Maiden albums in my collection - the first two! - and, to answer Ion Britton's question, I don't know if I would be able to identify Udo's voice. I'm just not a big Accept fan, I only like a couple of songs.

[King Zombie]

Many of them must have grown up in an environment where another familiy member listened to metal, how many of you people became metalheads because of an older sibiling? In that case those 15o masters arent seekers they are like sponges... lol.

I think its cool if they know a lot, but if they think they are the "godz of metal" then they are overrating themselves way too much (personally I think collectors are just human beings so there is nothing especial about being one either) In any case I started becoming more underground after discovering this forum hehehe... Personally, I'm proud of my collection and I'm happy because somehow I always felt I wanted this: discussing about bands and such; the fact I can share music others and constantly learn from them is cool too.

[nightsblood]

Sorry, I meant Mordred, not Mass-. Mistake edited; I should know better than to post and eat at the same time

I can sort of understand going straight to the rarer stuff and bypassing some of the 'common' stuff because you can check out the common stuff any time, but your chances to check out the rare stuff may be limited. This is less of an issue in the d/l era than it used to be, but it still applies somewhat.

[ION BRITTON]

@humus:
I'm just not a big Accept fan, I only like a couple of songs.

That's a different story then. You have heard them and you didn't like them. At least you showed some interest for a very influential band. Some young dudes who claim to be HEAVY METAL fans, don't care about them at all... they just ignore them or their very existence.

[tomas]

Yes, I gave them a try. I listened to all the famous 80s metal bands, but it would be impossible to like all of them of course.

[MercyfulUngol]

Dude, you don't know how much i agree with you.

It's called being young, naive, enthusiastic and hungry for more knowledge. Most of us have been there ourselves, it was no big deal then and it ain't now.

well, if you discount the fact that previously people had to seek out and BUY the records. at the same time having more young 'metal masters' around might be of some benefit to labels and bands as well. it's hard to tell, there are good and bad sides to this. are there more buyers of 'underground' metal now than ever? I'd tend to think so, looking at how much more exposure the digital age means. more small labels? maybe, hard to tell. I'd guess so. relatively more people buying records? I don't know. I doubt it.

where would my music-life be without the internet? I don't know. I never had friends that were into metal and I never felt part of any 'scene'. so I am thankful for the input I get from so many people online. I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with having 'easy access' to so much music. imagine the scenario where someone has to seek out his own metal in a no-internet world, hears a couple of shit albums by chance and writes off metal. all it might have taken to get him hooked would have been that one download. I know that's how it's been for me a lot of times and I'm pretty sure for a lot of you as well. sometimes I think that the most true of online warriors would like to forget how much great music they might never have come across were it not for internet communication. what would the state of obscure and cult metal be without it today? I'd dare say we might still be in the nineties musically.

and Daniel, what's a 'natural progression in love of metal'? how can one 'progress too quickly'? seriously if you think about that again I don't think it'll make much sense to you. it's a personal journey and it's impossible to say how that journey should be. a matter of individual people living individual lives, with all the chance encounters and not-taken paths we all have in our lives. going and universalizing some imaginary 'true path to the true metal' is not a good description for how the world works. it's nice for romanticizing some ideal-versions of the world maybe. "[...]you start with the basics[...]" you say. what the fuck are the basics? of course I know the myth and lore and stories of origin and the whole musical ancestry business metalheads are keen on. I am as well, not only for metal. but again I wouldn't universalize a right version there. I'm ignorant to so much of what others might see as the 'basics', but what does that change about my love for the music I am not ignorant to? I think there is a tendency for metalheads living in the 'true' paradigm to exaggerate the common ground, the canon of metal. it's good for building the community feeling (and making an 'outside' that 'doesn't get it'), but individuals are different. even with the 'basics'. a good thing too, otherwise for instance all 'the classics' would sound the same.

on topic. meh. single since the end of last summer (?). I can't even fucking remember it. shorter relationships the last years, not much fucking around. nothing comes close to the first serious relationship I had, which lasted 5ish years. I really wouldn't mind something good and serious again. a person it clicks with, no doubts whether it really is the right thing y'know. somebody who has lived, has a personality of their own, is passionate, kind, silly etc. it wouldn't really matter what kinds of music she's into. experience tells me that what's important, what one comes to love or dislike about a person has so much to do with the individual you encounter in a specific place and time and so little with ideal versions of a 'future partner'. sure I wouldn't mind a woman into good metal, if that wasn't all of her. anyhoo. wouln't mind 'falling' for someone again, would be awesome. love is teh best.

Great stuff! Basically the most logical/mature thing said in this here thread!

It's a huge contradiction to say that following a specific path is progression. When I'm old and decrepit is it ok to start becoming arrogant and research more bands? How is being an elitist ok when you're older, but unacceptable when you're young? Either way you're an arrogant asshole.

This may get me kicked off this board, but seriously, this is ridiculous...

Ion, no offense but you really do sound like those teens that flaunt their superiority (regardless if you've been listening to metal in 1788 when "No one else was"). How is the dude spinning Priest testing a stupid young kid's knowledge, any better than the kid flaunting? The pot calling the kettle black. You may know more, but that doesn't change the fact that you're still being a douchebag like he is.

So long as someone's heart is in the right place, why should it matter to you?

[big mouth]

How about people who comment on stuff they weren't part of/ didn't experience at all (for whatever reasons, either because they weren't born yet, or didn't like that stuff when it was around but a couple years later they get into it because it's cool to be into this and that etc), stilll they act like they know better than you what this and that really is?
There's alot to say about this as well... Sometimes I really wonder how an once incredible scene (for many points) has became what it is nowadays...

[tomas]

@Mercyful Ungol:
I don't think Ion was trying to 'out-cult' me by mentioning those unknown bands. He was just saying that I probably don't know those bands because I'm not really into that sound.

[MercyfulUngol]

@Mercyful Ungol:
I don't think Ion was trying to 'out-cult' me by mentioning those unknown bands. He was just saying that I probably don't know those bands because I'm not really into that sound.

Well that may be, but it doesn't justify the other point I made.