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Chiroptera wrote:

ION BRITTON wrote: That's why i don't talk much about music anymore.

So you've stopped talking about one of the things your most passionate about in life? Not good!

I'm talking about people who don't have the same passion for music. I can discuss about music with anyone regardless of his musical preferences as long as he has a passion for it, with anyone who feels his life would empty without music. I don't care if he is a devoted metalhead or listens to jazz, as long as the passion exists, we will have things to say. I usually meet people who don't have that passion, those who have it are the exception to the rule.

ION BRITTON wrote:I don't care if he is a devoted metalhead or listens to jazz, as long as the passion exists, we will have things to say.

What if he listens to rap music or r 'n b???
I don't have time to talk to these people, I'm just not interested no matter how devoted they are. The more devoted to this kinda style the less in common we will have I'm sure?

Korgüll wrote:The more devoted to this kinda style the less in common we will have I'm sure?

Yes of course, you can't be talking to someone who has a completely different taste than yours for hours and hours, but at least you will have something serious to say about music. I'm not saying that i will necessarily start a conversation with anyone who really likes the music he listens to whatever that is, but if the discussion comes to music, i will be able to say a few things without the fear of being totally misunderstood or being taken as a weirdo or whatever.

cheers for the nice reception

Chiroptera wrote:(And I'll try to ignore that whole "cream your pants" phrase.. )

as for the creamed pants, it's a figure of speech. now as far as I can see there might be two reasons why you would want to try to ignore that and make a grumpy face. one: it disgusts you to think of bodily fluids. fair enough, I am sorry if it did. two: you feel that it's somehow a male chauvinist thing to say. in which case I would reply that it works for women just as well. there might also be a third one: I was not perceptive enough to read in your reply that the generally advised pinch of salt was in fact taken on your side. in that case I'm sorry for being such a drama queen.

and I also think this discussion could be interesting enough to get it's own thread: 'the troubles and travails of the discerning metalhead in a world not of his own making: stigma, insecurities and awkward silences' or something along the lines. growing up I never had friends who shared my tastes in music, except for the occasional bands here and there. and I never chose my friends according to their musical preferences either, plus I never felt any need to belong to a scene. the few friends that can actually relate to my love for metal are more or less scattered over the globe and I don't see them very often. I also don't go out of my way to look metal, the occasional band shirt is pretty much the only outer giveaway for my devotion. so yeah, I have to come to places like this.

Korgüll wrote:What if he listens to rap music or r 'n b???
I don't have time to talk to these people, I'm just not interested no matter how devoted they are. The more devoted to this kinda style the less in common we will have I'm sure?

the passion thing works for me if we're interested in similar genres, periods or moods and the person is open-minded and passionate. and if I sense that a person knows exactly and is articulate about what she loves in music. if someone is passionate about jazz, sure we can talk about jazz. I like jazz. talking about metal on the other hand may become more difficult as people that listen to jazz often think of metal as unsophisticated, which makes fans seem unsophisticated to them as well. the other way around metalheads routinely have strong reservations against hip hop or techno, often making similar assumptions about the listeners. a lot of it comes down to the person you're facing, but also the genre-boundaries you are trying to communicate over and from which side you're arguing - the underdogs or the cultural overlords. somebody talking about the new sunn o))) record might feel at absolute ease explaining herself to the john zorn/world-music listening hipster. if you wanna explain to either of these people why 'hail to england' is such a killer album, chances are you'll be fighting an uphill battle, pun not intended. not only against sentiments that it contains unsophisticated, uninteresting and cheesy sounds, but also the feeling that you also might be looked at as somehow immature, unsophisticated or stuck in an unhealthy teenage fascination for swords, the underworld and men in leather (which you are of course, but in the good way). whichever way you twist it, answering 'heavy metal' to the music question often leaves people thinking unfavorable things:

- she listens to korn and blink 182 (does you injustice, but these people are casually interested in music anyways)
- she listens to heavy metal (does you justice, but you get the cultural underdog position)

as said a lot of this dissolves if you explain yourself in detail - no one knows the bands, genres, periods. for old prog rock on the other hand you might be lucky to find some other nut who'll get your ranting. but then again I've never sensed a more general stigma there.. and of course this does not take up much space in my life (as the length of this rant might imply), it's just a feeling that I could do without here and there.

and sorry for going further off topic.

Chiroptera wrote:Well, see.. If you add the female interpretation phenomena to this scenario, you're actually calling her stupid -in a most indirect, obscure way. No wonder you guys never hook up!

I've had a girlfriend for a while now.

I don't know what that's supposed to mean...

That was just mealy an example of when I talk to co-workers, friends of friends, ect.

Even dudes that don’t listen to metal can kind of comprehend what I listen to and say, “So you’re a banger”, but very few women understand.

Avenger wrote:Even dudes that don’t listen to metal can kind of comprehend what I listen to and say, “So you’re a banger”, but very few women understand.

... but very few women understand. nail. head. it was hit. although a good portion of my metal friends are actually women. but then again they are friends and 99% of the women that I get to know seem to not get it, at all. a casual "so you're a banger" is also more than I have come to expect from most guys. ah well. it feels a bit autistic sometimes, being so hungry for music. many people don't have it at all or they have a 'normal' relationship to it, whatever that may be. I don't envy them. but it's not always easy for to understand why they don't envy me either. its like louis armstrong or whoever it was, who was once asked something to the effect of: what is jazz? and the answer was: if you have to ask you'll never understand.

@ chiroptera: are you coming down for gunfest? whereabout in the north are you? sometimes it's a real shame that this country is so damn long. and quite wide as well in places.

Before recently I used to dodge questions about what I listen to by randomers. For a couple of years now however I'd adopted this stance: Whenever someone asks me what I listen to be them a taxi driver, a girl I've met, somebody's dad, whatever, I declare in a triumphant voice "HEAVY METAL" (yes, with the caps) and I look them in the eye as directly as possible. The results are mostly interesting and sometimes hilarious!

Helm wrote:Before recently I used to dodge questions about what I listen to by randomers. For a couple of years now however I'd adopted this stance: Whenever someone asks me what I listen to be them a taxi driver, a girl I've met, somebody's dad, whatever, I declare in a triumphant voice "HEAVY METAL" (yes, with the caps) and I look them in the eye as directly as possible. The results are mostly interesting and sometimes hilarious!

not at all bad. maybe I should take the inspiration. in a place where people are as hip as here that's bound to hit hard. REALLY triumphant voice, firm eye contact, go. lovely.

Yes. First of all, you'd be surprised how many people who'd otherwise condescend you if you limply said "well... m-metal I guess. Oh! And rock! I am open-minded!" will in face of your (hilariously overdone) determination now say something to the effect of "oh! I used to love Black Sabbath and AC/DC!" (and enter variations of the "I used to be a bit of a metalhead" speech here) or something to that extent. From the double dozen of times I've done this I think I received an ironic comment only the once.

Second, why not fly the flag? I at least, expect people around me to keep in mind that I am a metalhead when they deal with me because it's not just a type of music for me, it is my assurance to them that I will be a stand-up person, won't lie or deceive them, I will treat them with respect and I expect nothing less in return. That is what this music taught me. If someone doesn't know that 'Heavy Metal' can stand for that type of behavior, by Zeus it will be best they found out!

Helm wrote:Second, why not fly the flag?

sure, I see that. although being the metalhead.period. is not entirely how I see myself. the open-mindedness bit isn't really a condescending move therefore. it's maybe most of all an attempt at drawing an honest picture of myself. but fuck it. 90% of my musical diet (measured in time spent listening and "researching") is metallic. I should probably own up to that with more determination. after all this will stay until I die.

on a completely different note: anybody here into home-brewing/winemaking?

'pataphysicien wrote:

Chiroptera wrote:(And I'll try to ignore that whole "cream your pants" phrase.. )

as for the creamed pants, it's a figure of speech. now as far as I can see there might be two reasons why you would want to try to ignore that and make a grumpy face. one: it disgusts you to think of bodily fluids. fair enough, I am sorry if it did. two: you feel that it's somehow a male chauvinist thing to say. in which case I would reply that it works for women just as well. there might also be a third one: I was not perceptive enough to read in your reply that the generally advised pinch of salt was in fact taken on your side. in that case I'm sorry for being such a drama queen.

Wow, you talk more than most women -I like it!

Ok, about the neandertal (is that even how it's spelled in english?) phrase: No, bodily fluids do not disgust me. I'd be pretty useless at work if it did. In my current profession, you wipe asses with one hand and eat lunch with the other. That's also a figure of speech! It's just so bluntly stated, and not perticularly good for showing other people what you're made of. So I don't really mind at all, I just found it an awkward way of introducing oneself. And I promise to ignore all cream in the future, without commenting -guess it's something I have to put up with in this men's club that is the Corroseum.

'pataphysicien wrote: @ chiroptera: are you coming down for gunfest? whereabout in the north are you? sometimes it's a real shame that this country is so damn long. and quite wide as well in places.

No, I won't be able to. I'm about 1370 km and 10.000 kr away from making that happen. That means I'm at 68,3 ° N, and most people from more civilised areas of this world believe I've got polar bears in my backyard. And there's not -though there is the occasional rein deer, lynx, and really drunk neighbour waking me up looking for water after a hard night on the local pub (in which case I kindly reply "Et sny, din faen!")

I just say "metal" or "heavy metal" and try to change the subject. If they insist I also say I listen to another things but when it gets annoying is when they start to ask you which bands you like. I always reply "you don't know them anyway" but most of the time they sense like an elitist, superiority thing going on, and if I start naming the bands I sound like a total nerd, so is sort of a lose/lose situation. I try to avoid that conversation as much as I can.
Also agree with Ion about talking with people who share the same interest in music, even if it's on different genres. I talk a lot about music with a guy who loves prog rock for example, and I get along with him much better than with tons of metalheads I know that are into metal just 'cause of the drinks, drugs and tough guy image. Most metalheads in this area are real morons, so I'm friend mostly with non-metalhead people.

Chiroptera wrote:And I promise to ignore all cream in the future, without commenting -guess it's something I have to put up with in this men's club that is the Corroseum.

Oh, come on.

Girls can cream their pants too...

Avenger wrote:

Chiroptera wrote:And I promise to ignore all cream in the future, without commenting -guess it's something I have to put up with in this men's club that is the Corroseum.

Oh, come on.

Girls can cream their pants too...

I never said they can't.. We're just more subtile about it.

Cochino wrote:I just say "metal" or "heavy metal" and try to change the subject. If they insist I also say I listen to another things but when it gets annoying is when they start to ask you which bands you like. I always reply "you don't know them anyway" but most of the time they sense like an elitist, superiority thing going on, and if I start naming the bands I sound like a total nerd, so is sort of a lose/lose situation.

Or worse, when you actually name some obscure bands they respond with "Oh yeah, I've heard of them". Try convincing them they haven't is a hard chore.