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bigfootkit wrote:

MEXDefenderOfSteel wrote:well in that case,there are loads of bands that started since the 70s and are considered part of the NWOBHM, in my opinion, the heaviest Priest albums were made in the early 80s

btw, i think the UFO cover made by Maiden was "Doctor,Doctor"

Ah, regarding the UFO cover, i believe you're correct.
Steve Harris must play a lot of UFO records around the house as his daughter Lauren has recorded a UFO cover too!
For me the 3 heaviest Priest records are "Rocka Rolla" (a controversial choice?), "Sin After Sin" & , although i don't much like it, "Painkiller". Two from the '70's & one from the '90's. Their '80's albums are lightweight sounding in comparison.

Although, a decent album, (not my favorite by any means) I think "Painkiller" easily takes the cake for the heaviest Priest album...

I think we should start a favorite Priest album poll including all the releases from "Rocka Rolla" to "Painkiller".

I think that "Sad Wings Of Destiny" would defiantly be a top contender, but it would still be interesting.

Painkiller is possibly my favourite album of all time, Priest are probably my favourite band. I think the poll would be a cool idea I'd post my views on each album for sure.

About Priest's influence vs. Sabbath; I think the planted the seed in with their sheer heaviness but if you listen to and compare song construction/guitar leads and riffs Priest's influence is seen much more throughout metal's early movements. Occasionally you hear a band with lots of Thin Lizzy or UFO infused in their sound but I still think Priest were the main influence behind traditional heavy metal as we know it.

MEXDefenderOfSteel wrote:well in that case,there are loads of bands that started since the 70s and are considered part of the NWOBHM, in my opinion, the heaviest Priest albums were made in the early 80s

btw, i think the UFO cover made by Maiden was "Doctor,Doctor"

You COULD make a case for excluding many NWOBHM bands from that epithet based on them being around for years before 1979. However, the difference between a band like Motorhead and Judas Priest and those "others" could be seen as "having a recording career" or "extensive touring of venues larger than local pubs or dance halls" before 1979. I know that doesn't define it 100% either, but it goes some of the way.

bigfootkit wrote:As for whether Motorhead or Priest should be considered part of the movement, that's tricky. Some of the bands who do "fit the bill" were actually as old as Lemmy & co. and had been around as long, like Quartz. Nightwing members had played in early 70's band Strife, likewise Saxon who had been around for a long time as Son Of A Bitch. So if they count, why not Gillan or Whitesnake?
Tricky.

FWIW, I don't consider Quartz part of the NWOBHM for the reason they recorded before the movement had started off and had a "name" before it. You could say Saxon didn't start recording before 1979 and therefore qualify, but I can't really justify not counting Gillan or Whitesnake as NWOBHM, yet I don't know anybody who does.

Tricky, but I think it's an initeresting discussion. Then again, I am a big bore...

I must be a big bore too then, because i likewise find the discussion interesting.

I take your points about Priest & Motorhead having a recording career under those names before '79, that seems fair enough. Priest in particular have a career that began way back in the early '70's, Motorhead meant very little until the release of "Bomber" in '79, so there is perhaps a stronger case for their inclusion.
It's all about how you see it i suppose, the definition of the NWoBHM "sound" is just as tricky. It can mean anything from Venom to Shiva, but i see few similarities there. It's not exactly easy to pin down.
Therein perhaps lies the secret of the music's longevity, it means all things to all people, so definitions don't really mean too much in the end.
As a wise man once said, "Opinions are like arseholes, everyone's got one & most of them stink!"

bigfootkit wrote:I must be a big bore too then, because i likewise find the discussion interesting.

I take your points about Priest & Motorhead having a recording career under those names before '79, that seems fair enough. Priest in particular have a career that began way back in the early '70's, Motorhead meant very little until the release of "Bomber" in '79, so there is perhaps a stronger case for their inclusion.
It's all about how you see it i suppose, the definition of the NWoBHM "sound" is just as tricky. It can mean anything from Venom to Shiva, but i see few similarities there. It's not exactly easy to pin down.
Therein perhaps lies the secret of the music's longevity, it means all things to all people, so definitions don't really mean too much in the end.
As a wise man once said, "Opinions are like arseholes, everyone's got one & most of them stink!"

It probably also has to do with the fact even early NWOBHM bands got influenced by Priest and Motörhead, not by bands like Quartz, Marseille, Money or Cobra.

It probably also has to do with the fact even early NWOBHM bands got influenced by Priest and Motörhead, not by bands like Quartz, Marseille, Money or Cobra.

Yeah, i'd say that was a fair point.
They were both very influential to the NWoBHM, especially in the way that Priest used harmony leads (like Wishbone Ash), and Motorhead's aggression was something many of the bands aspired to.
I suppose they were both role models as far as "the look" too.
Priest with their spiked leather & Motorheads grimy biker apparrel obviously made a big impression.
I think we also have Saxon to "thank" for the spandex though!