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deathster wrote:Actually I meant that Törr is more hyped in this century than it was in 90s. So naturally it attracts attention and new listeners. This whole Eastern metal obsession is from Y2K. Törr, Tudor, Svaty Vincent etc etc... No talk about Masters Hammer anymore (because their albums are quite easily obtainable?). In 90s it was Masters Hammer that ruled (and still do).

This is just my opinion, so do not take it so seriously and as dogma.

You sure got a point there. I first heard of both ROOT and TÖRR in '99/00 but MASTER'S HAMMER have been faves of mine since the early nineties. I think MH was the first Czech band to pass around demos to western fanzines back in the days, which would explain their early cult status.

...and as much as I enjoy early TÖRR and ROOT, imo they simply don't play in the same league as MH.

Well, I think that he might have a point since I said I first think of Törr and I'm a Y2K metalhead. Actually I think that I've heard Master's Hammer first, but I was just more impressed with Törr.

DaN wrote:

deathster wrote:Actually I meant that Törr is more hyped in this century than it was in 90s. So naturally it attracts attention and new listeners. This whole Eastern metal obsession is from Y2K. Törr, Tudor, Svaty Vincent etc etc... No talk about Masters Hammer anymore (because their albums are quite easily obtainable?). In 90s it was Masters Hammer that ruled (and still do).

This is just my opinion, so do not take it so seriously and as dogma.

You sure got a point there. I first heard of both ROOT and TÖRR in '99/00 but MASTER'S HAMMER have been faves of mine since the early nineties. I think MH was the first Czech band to pass around demos to western fanzines back in the days, which would explain their early cult status.

...and as much as I enjoy early TÖRR and ROOT, imo they simply don't play in the same league as MH.

Exactly Dan. This is what I am mentioning.

I have had those Törr 1st LP and EP, sold them on ebay some 7 yrs ago. Flames of Hell LP is still with me. And stays with me.

You sold Törr records? That would not happen to me,

Yeah, every once in a while I cleaned my shelf from records that did not stand the test of time or I did not like 100%. I am not record collector , I am music fan.

I do the same.

deathster wrote:Yeah, every once in a while I cleaned my shelf from records that did not stand the test of time or I did not like 100%. I am not record collector , I am music fan.

I do the same with my mp3s. I have 100 gigs of space assigned to the metal, and if I am nearing completition of those when I need to move in new stuff, I have to delete older stuff that didn't stand the test of time. Though this is virtual space and I could very well assign another 100 gigs to storage, I purposefully do not to keep the 'darwinistic effect' going. The questions I ask myself before deletation are "do I really need this?" "when did I listen to it last time?" and "whereas right now I might not like it as much as other things, do I see prospect that I might like it more in the future?"

Master's Hammer was the first Czech band I got to know. And I have to say that I discovered Root very early, I think it was 1996, when the song '666' from the Zjeveni album was played on the local metal radio show. I really liked that song but it wasn't until 2004 that I actually started showing a big interest in that album, when a friend of mine lent it to me.

Törr was the first czech band I came across thanks to the shitty local Legacy Magazine Thrash Special

i'm kind of curious how the distribution of these bands 80s works was before the iron curtain fell. i imagine not too large which would probably account for the lack of 'popularity' during the times when the bands released the majority of their classic works. but then again i live 5000 miles away so i could just be talking out of my ass here - but it does seem like there has kind of been more people getting into older eastern european stuff (czech, polish, hungarian) in the last few years

I agree with khijol and I personally do not understand this praising almost all and every band from East-European countries. Many of these records are labeled cult, evil and wicked now (emphase NOW). Most of those albums never reach of quality of western bands records like Bathory, Slayer, Possessed, Sodom etc... Some people say Czhech metal scene is the best in the world (!). Grrrrrrrr....

well don't get me wrong, i like a lot of this scene, but bathory, slayer, sodom, etc is a pretty high water mark to reach for any bands, regardless of location. i just find it to be an interesting phenomeon that this stuff is probably finding a much wider audience than it was when it was initially released

The eastern european air of mystique certainly makes people from other countries fetishize these releases more. I always found it really funny to read on the internet praise for the greek black metal scene of the early 90s and how it had a certain 'mediterrainian' flare. Such a flare hardly exists and the greek black metal scene of the 90's is 4-5 worthwhile bands.

The basic thing in all of it is that when those "exotic" bands where released on tape/Vinyl/whatever format, that format was quite rare(still as it is for some new band that releases a tape nowadays), and to westerners even more, so westerners didn't got to know about those scenes on their time, and I'm not just talking about the eastern scenes here.
These days theres a high interest on the eastern, south american, asian scenes, it's common and understandable.

The only pity about it, is that they are being appreciated out of their time, a time where most of those bands doesn't exist anymore, with most of their band members literally giving a shit about the current scene, some even for their own past bands, and with someone else taking profit of their asses, not everyone, but still someone.

On a sidenote, Root was quite well known in the nineties along with Master's Hammer as everyone stated, remember that Root's glorious "Hell Symphony" was released by British Cacophony Records which had a wide distribution at the time, and I think it still has.

For info on how it were the scene in eastern lands before the fall of the curtain, I recommend the reading of Mr. Big Boss on the booklet of "Dema", it's quite good, and leaves a good insight on how were those times there.

Was there an insert for the Institut Klinicke Smrti LP? (if so, xerox/scan please?)