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Well we'll just have to wait and see I guess......personally I feel the box set should have been released first off which at least would give people some idea of what they are all about. I think they were a band far ahead of their time and the demos are far better I think than the ep. I don't really know what to expect about an all new album with anyone other than D. Halliday [ I think his over the top theatrics] are a fundamnetal part of the HELL sound but like I said we'll have to wait and see.

Is the box delay/cancellation the band's fault or the label's fault? Miskatonic has never had a great reputation for getting things done TMK, so maybe folks should be complaining about the label and not the band; if Miskatonic is holding things up, there may not be much the band can do about it. In reaity, it doesn't sound like anyone has enough facts to figure out what the problem is.

As far as I know it's not the label's fault as the band have been working with Andy Sneap recently in the studio so I think it's more down to him being involved with the band.

Well, it's not the labels fault at all. Rich really wanted to do it and put his best efforts into it. BUT, due to major personal problems of one of the members the project never really got started. It was Andy Sneap's idea that the band recorded something again and he provided his studio for the job, and after realising that this is what they wanted to do all along they've all decided to make this album. These guys are musicians and all they want to do is to play and record music. Out of huge respect to Dave they've kept only to original material, and are using part of his original vocals on the album, along with Kev's vocals (a lot of the vocal parts on the demos WERE Kev's vocals as well!!)
and also Martin Walkiyer's. From my conversations with Kev and Tim it looks like Dave's untimely death was the WORST moment in their lives, so there's no disrespect to him whatsoever.
And by negative reactions I meant earlier that people already don't want to support something they haven't even heard.

Why do i have to hear EVERYTHING in order to say that something is not good and it doesn't fit with my taste? Sometimes one must follow his instinct. And my instinct tells me that this reunion will suck. As Andy Sneap's "ideas" do. This is NOT Hell. Period. Walkiyer and Sneap should have stayed away from them. Don't try to fuck the original songs up, we don't need one more pointless rerecording of the old songs, we need the ORIGINAL RECORDINGS ONLY. YOU CAN TRY TO RECORD NEW SONGS, NEW VERSIONS OR POP MUSIC AFTER WE GET THAT GODDAMN BOXSET. That's what the initial plans were and that's what we were promised. What's so bad about it that it had to change two years after the first announcement? I'm pretty positive that if Halliday was still alive he wouldn't approve such thing for Hell. Now, whether they will or will not show disrespect to their past, that's something that the people who will hear the result of the "new" material will decide.

instinct hahaha, c'mon. how old are you?

sixsexsix wrote:instinct hahaha, c'mon. how old are you?

Old enough to be able to follow it.

Ion wrote:
Why do i have to hear EVERYTHING in order to say that something is not good and it doesn't fit with my taste?

I thought the idea of a new Celtic Frost album in 2006 was terrible; then I heard the record and was blown away by it.

Ion: while I agree that most reunion offerings are a waste of time that rarely live up to the band's legacy, your posts read as though the band has committed a crime against you. Releases get delayed/put off all the time. You mention 'broken promises' as if the band owed you a release; they don't owe people anything- not a boxset, a new release, or even an explanation for their plans. I can understand if you and other fans are disappointed that the boxset is apparently delayed indefinitely, but making a statement like "I'm pretty positive that if Halliday was still alive he wouldn't approve such thing" is a bit much IMO; unless you knew Halliday well or have written documentation of what he wanted done with the HELL catalog, who are you to be speaking for him?

nightsblood wrote:Ion wrote:
Why do i have to hear EVERYTHING in order to say that something is not good and it doesn't fit with my taste?

I thought the idea of a new Celtic Frost album in 2006 was terrible; then I heard the record and was blown away by it.

Sure, that why 'everything' was typed with capital letters. It's not the rule, it can happen quite often though. I've heard albums that i expected and thought they would be bad turning out to be very interesting, so it can happen, i didn't say it can't happen at all. As far as i'm concerned it's not something that happens every day though... On Hell's and other similar cases: i'm really sick and tired of hearing of all those upcoming ''reunions'', 90% of them disappointed me in the worst possible way. I don't have enough ''courage'' and patience for them anymore. A waste of time like you've said. And as far as rerecordings of old material goes...well, that, sucks big time. Why do the bands have to do this? Most of them are totally pointless and on most of the cases the originals are raped violently. I like the songs the way the were AT THAT TIME and UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES and that might include even a crappy production, mistakes, not-so-good sound, whatever. I can't remember ONE rerecording of a band that caught the spirit of the original, not even one...

Ion: your posts read as though the band has committed a crime against you.

Sorry, it wasn't my intention to sound so "mean" and frustrated (though i am a little bit), that was all written in the heat of the moment and i apologise. Hell have committed no crime and i've said they are free to do whatever they want. It's just that the new album is not an interesting idea for me anymore. However, i still believe that it's not the same Hell with the band we heard on the 7" and the demos (and they will never be unless Dave comes back from the grave). Sneap and Walkiyer thought that it would be cool to jam with some of the old members covering the old songs and that it would be even cooler to call this project "Hell". I'm sorry, but i won't swallow this one.

You mention 'broken promises' as if the band owed you a release; they don't owe people anything- not a boxset, a new release, or even an explanation for their plans. I can understand if you and other fans are disappointed that the boxset is apparently delayed indefinitely, but making a statement like "I'm pretty positive that if Halliday was still alive he wouldn't approve such thing" is a bit much IMO; unless you knew Halliday well or have written documentation of what he wanted done with the HELL catalog, who are you to be speaking for him?

The band doesn't owe me neither a boxset nor a new release. However, they owe me an explanation. An explanation because i've been hearing those boxset news for so much time and now i'm told that, probably, that ain't gonna happen. People kept asking about the boxset all the time and showed their interest about an old forgotten band called Hell who composed great music. It's the love of the fans that brought the name of Hell back on the surface, they can't just ignore them, 'cause without them they would remain "the unknown band that only a few know and nobody cares about" and they wouldn;t be able to make any plans right now. At least they must show a little respect for the people's interest, nothing more to ask, really.

"I'm pretty positive that if Halliday was still alive he wouldn't approve such thing" : OK, IMO is missing and it shouldn't. I'm not speaking for him and i didn't know him in person, but that doesn't mean that i;m not allowed to express my thoughts about what i believe he would say on this occasion. Anyway, i'm way more curious about what Dave would say if he could hear the result of the rerecordings, don't tell me you wouldn't like to listen to that...

One of the members should come this forum and give us a clear explanation and apology.

Ion: you make a good point about fan interest in the OLD material being the reason these guys will have an opportunity to record NEW material. I kinda wonder if a similar situation isn't going on in the RITUAL thread, what with the band/label not providing much info and even taking down their websites.... I can't help but suspect that maybe those sites will come back up as soon as the band/label is ready to promote some new material

Why dont if you are curious about the new album buy, if not, just wait for the boxset to be released. I dont see the big problem regarding all this.

metalmaster wrote:Why dont if you are curious about the new album buy, if not, just wait for the boxset to be released. I dont see the big problem regarding all this.

I think the main problem is not really knowing IF the boxset will be released or not. I've only been a fan of Hell for a few years now, but the only thing I've been able to get a hold of is the 7 song demo with "Macbeth" and the "Save Us..." 7", and I'd like to hear whatever else was recorded during the early days of the band. I'm a musician myself and understand if they want to record old stuff to sound more like what was originally intended, but they have to understand that the people who were captivated by what they did were listening to the OLD sounds, no matter how imperfect the rough demo recordings might seem to the actual band members.

The boxset needs to come out first. There's a lot of us that have been waiting for it for a long time!

For me it's pretty simple: If the new album sucks, it'll suck and I won't care. Heavy Metal can only disappoint you as much as you let it. If it's good then, wonderful! I'm perfectly able to accept that they might do as well or even better than their past material because good Heavy Metal is TIMELESS.

I agree and respect Ion's opinion of wanting the old material as it was, in the moment where it was concieved, errors and all. It's true that some of the charm sometimes comes from these conditions. But it is also my belief that if someone cares for their material enough to remake it after 20 years, there is a chance he'll do better now than then, dead band members and andy sneap notwithstanding.

I really like Hell, but that doesn't mean I have to like the 80's Hell only. Give them a chance! If they're not good now, their new material will be forgotten fast, but give them a chance.

And the boxed set, the time will come, as it always does. Good Heavy Metal never is forgotten forever. 10 years ago I was discussing progressive metal in irc with some greeks and one of them mentioned Mayfair and I didn't check them out until now. Eventually the time will come for a proper release of the old Hell material. Until then... mp3s will do!

Helm wrote:Until then... mp3s will do!

I intentionally didn't get all MP3's because of the boxset.

Andy Sneap is killing metal.