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[metalmaster]

I have the new Rat Attack CD and it is of excellent quality, including liner notes and lyrics.

metalmaster, who's this layer guy you mention?

the one Kings mention and claim to be his layer... Nice, rat Attack in excellent quality! Congratulations King, a satisfied costumer!

[hload]

Isn't it TAD bit overdramatic to point fingers at Old Metal and shout "BOOTLEGGERS!!"? The Holy Crusade Against Evil Bootlegs is all good & well, but anyone in their right mind have got to see the difference between the OMR releases and the "NWOBCD"-stuff. I think King has explained it many times over by now. Or does anyone still see a Great Moneygrubbing Scheme behind it all?

At worst the releases could be considered a bit rushed and overenthusiastic, but when OMR started out there really wasn't a blueprint on the best way to re-release old classic Metal. Practically no one where doing it at the time.

sure.....why don't you also include old metal records in that label's stuff you're doing.....

[hload]

I don't speak for others, no one should. do you speak yourselffor friends of yours? i hope not! never put words in someone elses mouth.

and now my label battlezone is bootlegs too? prime evil and biovore are boots?
haha you are wildddd

this is getting more and more outrageous as we go on.
WOW! you are searching desperately man!
really

are you in mexico as well?
if so please come to the 'sit down' with me and jose
if he will be so kind to meet and talk about all of this.

I HAVE ONE QUESTION TO YOU AND METALMASTER
DO YOU OWN EVEN 1 BOOTLEG? BE HONEST! THANKS

no, i'm not searching anything....i was deceived a couple of times and bought your "releases" because i thought that by this way i was supporting the bands (Q5 and griffin, even if i had the original vinyls) especially that with Q5 was a huge disappointment because it cost me 30 deutch marks and then i had to pay another 30 to get the official rerelease with the bonus and huge booklet etc etc(back then in the mailorder list it wasn't mentioned under the name of Q5 if it was old metal or high vaultage release)....too bad that my hard earned money went to wrong hands.... but at least i'm not a hypocrite.....unfortunately i don't belong to the category who says that king's releases are different than the ones made by the greeks/germans etc....for me is one and the same.....

YOU BOUGHT THE EARLY STUFF
AND Q5 IS TERRIBLE RELEASE, THAT WAS PULLED BY ME.
Q5 NEVER GAVE PERMISSION AND IT WAS AN EARLY 'FUCK IT LET'S DO IT'
STANCE BY MY PARTNER.
WHAT MAIL ORDER SOLD IT THAT HIGH? ALL MY CDS ARE $10

GRIFFIN IS GOOD SOUND BUT MINIMAL BOOKLET
WE PRESSED IT AND THEN BAND GOT IN TOUCH AND WE WORKED IT ALL OUT.
TOM AND BAND IS FINE WITH IT THEN! LEARNE DSOEM COOL GRIFFIN STUFF TOO BY OUR FRIENDSHIP!

WHAT'S YOUR PAYPAL
I WILL PAYPAL YOU $30 RIGHT NOW!
I AM NOT PROUD OF EARLIER OLD METAL STUFF MUCH EITHER.
BUT IT HAS GOTTEN WAY BETTER IN LAST FEW YEARS.
THE STATEMENT 'RUSHED/OVEREXCITED TO RELEASE EARLIER
BY MAUSOLEUM IS EXACTLY CORRECT.


PM ME PLEASE, I WANT YOU TO HAVE YOUR $30 BACK

THANKS

my paypal is:

fuck.off.bootlegs.and.those.who.buy.them@bootoseum.com.

[Black Axe]

I have the new Rat Attack CD and it is of excellent quality, including liner notes and lyrics.

metalmaster, who's this layer guy you mention?

the one Kings mention and claim to be his layer...

He only has one layer? He must be skin and bones...

[hload]

I have the new Rat Attack CD and it is of excellent quality, including liner notes and lyrics.

metalmaster, who's this layer guy you mention?

the one Kings mention and claim to be his layer...

He only has one layer? He must be skin and bones...

well i bet ya that his english is better than your spanish.....

[Black Axe]

the one Kings mention and claim to be his layer...

He only has one layer? He must be skin and bones...

well i bet ya that his english is better than your spanish.....

His English is better than my Russian, Italian and Japanese too.

[ION BRITTON]

Personally, i'm getting a bit tired with OMR's bootleg issue. I said my opinion before and it hasn't changed even after all these posts of various members. What amazes me though is that we are talking about the legality of OMR's releases as if it was a deeply religious issue. Like when you ask someone "Do you believe in God" and whatever reply you may get, it is acceptable 'coz it's a personal issue/choice/belief of each one.

Well it would be immportant (and almost religious) for you if you were the copyright owner of an album that was already bootleged

I didn't mean that it is not important. What i wanted to say is that we are acting as if there is no answer to one of the questions we pose: What is a bootleg? Damn it, there must an answer to this one and i think it is the one you wrote in the lines i quoted from your post. A release EITHER it is official OR it is a boot, no grey area on this issue.

[kingfowley]

Ohhhhhhh sorry all of you! Metalmaster, the asshole is just a stupid little jerk who dared to mention that King (the King!) was a bootlegger. And not just that, now King has himself reivindicated, and all of this aggreded and supported by the guys in this forum who raised him to the status of "a nice guy who try to save old metal making boot cds". Man, in that case those greek/german guys who released these series of cds with three bands (racer, hot metal, I think are the "labels" names) are SUPER GODS because they have bootlegged several more cds than (the) King. So, why to raise hell because a greek or a mexican or a russian makes a bootleg cd and just praise King because he does the same? Why greeks or russians have no rights to boot and while King has? I know, its anotyer example of American -selective- democracy.

WHY YOU GOTTA KNOCK FRIENDS OF MINE?

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i have friends here that said nice things and you mocked them!

Why the fuck myself in Blower or the guys of Karthago, Stormspell, battleCry, Sonic age, etc spend and waste lots of time and money to make quality reeditions with booklets, extra tracks, pics, remasterd sound, etc while King just get the cheapest non existing quality cds. Or can anyone tell me what Old Metal cd has quality. Cmon King, your cds cost you no more than .90 dlls per copy. Dont tell me you are doing this for love to the music, otherwise, sell your shit at the very same price you invest in your crappy cds. And to put the name of your "label" and your name does not make a cd original or non boolteg and just show you as a cinical guy.

MY PRESS COST ME IN THE BEGINNING $1150 FOR 500 COPIES
NOWADAYS I PRESS 1000 COPIES AND IT COSTS ME $1249
FOR THEM. ANDI PRESIG IS A GREAT FRIEND OF MINE, I MAY BE PUTTING OUT 'THE VAMPYRE YOU HAVE AS YOUR ICON SOON, WOULDN'T THAT BE IRONIC.

So, your first boots costed you mere 2 dlls, while you sold them in no lees than 8-9 dlls, right? Perhaps higher
Ok, your nowadays cost are $1249, then you can sell your cds at 1.24 dlls, 30cents more of what I mentioned. GUYS, PAY NO MORE THAN THAT FOR THESE PRODUCTS OF PURE AND GENUINE QUALITY, and never forget about the love to music these cds are gifted as well.
PLEASE DONT TELL ME WHAT YOU DO IS NOT FOR PROFITS!!!
As far as I know, Vampyr will be released by Stormspell rec, and it is announced at his website, and Iordan himself told me about its releasing by Stormspell, I pray you wont print it because such a great album deserved much much more quality than what you give to your boots.


i also worked my ass off to make the $ to press it. and most all of my early releases i did in trade! i made very little profit if any! lost $ sometimes
most sat around and even got given out for free at oct 31 gigs. selling sound barrier and sorcery discs aint the best thing to do if you're gonna 'bootleg'!

stormspell is releasing it. i did have the rights from andi and battle cry but i went with witch l.a intstead. Iordan is a great guy and his label kicks ass i'm happy he's doing it!

I ask myself how you can say that you do it for love, when one can see the zero-quality of you releases, and then you come and tell me that your eath Metal band Deseaced has sold 100 000 records. Dont you get enough royalties to invest some more money and print better boots? Damn I think even Volve maked them much better quality wise. And something is more than hilarious is the fact that some guys name that old metal crap cds as "cult" and "legendary". How denigrated are both words nowadays...
So printing Witchfinder Genetral 7" was to fuck those high prices. Smart! You thought: those ORIGINAL eps are sold at very high prices, why to pay those dealers high prices if 300 fools can pay me 8 dlls per copy if I print them so, all the money goes directly to my pocket and my friends'. Good movement! Hmm I'm going to be curios and will ask you how much royalties you oaid to HMR for the releasing of that ep. And how much you pay to the owners for every release you print.

MY RELEASES HAVE GOTTEN WAYYYY BETTER, SEE BLOODLUST, SATANS HOST AND MY NEW WITCHY CD OUT NEXT FOR EXAMPLE!

THANX GOD THANKS!!!!!! Bootlegging quality gets better, that is for sure a rest for my soul. King... Bloodlust looks awnful

bloodlust looks awful? you're crazy
looks killer and everyones pleased. only 'glitch' to it is the cd master from bill metoyer was defective on all copies and had a half second jump on track 1 that couldnt be fixed

AS FOR W.GENERAL THAT GOT ME NOT MUCH AS MOST OF MY COPIES I TRADED AS NO ONE REALLY COLLECTED SINGLES THAT WAS MY OLD PARTNERS DOING MORE SO. CIRITH UNGOL DID BETTER AS IT WAS A 'UNIQUE' RELEASE AS W. GENERAL WAS A RERELEASE!

Well, I wonder how sold them so fast then, I remember that you mentionmed it was sold out within a couple of months both records. Dont tell me that you lost money. Anyway, yopu saved much without paying any money to anyone. That is called BOOTTLEGING, right?

yes it is and i said it already RIGHT?

H.M RECORDS GOT NOTHING FOR W.G THAT IS FACT, MAINLY CUZ MY PARTNER THEN HAD BAD TIME DEALING WITH HIM.
AS FOR PAYMENTS FOR BANDS
SOME BANDS GOT $$$ SOME BANDS GOT CDS, ALL GOT TAKEN CARE OF!
SOME BANDS GOT BOTH! NO ONE GOT NOTHING EXCEPT Q5 BECAUSE IT WAS PULLED! AND XCURSION GOT NOTHING, I DO WANT TO GET MARK SOME COPIES EVEN IF I GOT TO REPRESS FOR THAT FACT ALONE. RAT ATTACK GOT 150 COPIES FOR MY 1000 CDS JUST PRESSED, TOM WAS SUPER PLEASED!
FINGERNAILS GOT 150 COPIES. BLOODLUST GOT 200 COPIES OF THEIRS.

Man, I asked you to tell me how much you pay to the OWNERSs of the right of the records, not to the bands. I sometimes certainly think that you have no clue about whats copyright, othetimes (most of times) I think you simply elude to answer. Why dont you give me concrete answers to concrete questions?

i know all about copyrights, and it varies. i also know about bands being ripped off by record labels. hell, look at the tom griffin interview and see his 'iu never recieved a royalty check' from shrpanel quote! there's a bond amongst people in bands and we speak a differnt way. if you don't like that way, then you don't. but not everyone thinks your way.

LETS ASK THIS QUESTION, HOW MUCH ID THE OWNERS OF THE RIGHTS PAY THE BANDS FOR THE MUSIC THEY BOUGHT FROM THEM?

This Exciter story almost meade me cry. I dont know if I almost cried all daylong due to happiness or shame... It is the first time I heard a musician gives millions thanx to the bootlegger in front of him, and not just that, but buys 4 copies of his own bootlegged cd! Didnt Jon kissed your hand as well? Man you are gifted by metal gods

NOW YOU ARE JUST BEING MORONIC! SOME FOLKS AINT AS 'DOWN' ON STUFF AS YOU ARE. EXCEPT IT AND MOVE ON. THE WORLD ALL HAS THEIR OPINION AND WAY OF LOOKING AT THINGS.

I'm just mocking on you man. This fairytale is so hilarious that you cant do anything else than mock...

ok if that's what you think

And I called you two faced because someone who really loves metal as you claim to, cant print bootlegs as you do. I have no idea of your personal life or your faminy and belive me, I dont care. This is a matter of musical level, about your bootlegs, not about how good father you are or how a nice neightboor everyone calls you, the man everyones loves in town.

I AM A GREAT FAN OF MUSIC AND MY FAMILY
YOUY'RE OPINIONS ARE YOURS, YOU'RE SET IN YOUR WAY AND THAT'S FINE!
I AM SET IN MINE. WHO'SE RIGHT AND WHOSE WRONG? NEITHER THE WAY I SEE IT! JUST SEE IT DIFFERENTLY IS ALL!

so what?

so don't think you're 'right' on it all!

So, what is a boot some one has asked? Man, i dont see what is the mistery about a boot. A boot is to print, release and sell (in our case) a cd without the permission of the owner of the rights of that recording, which always is the executive producer. As you might know King, as a musician supposely you are, the owner of the rights are the ones who pay for the whole production, while the owners of the songs are the ones who wrote them, in other words, the band. So, it is easy to undertand that if you dont have a contract soigned by the owner of the production, you cant use them and if you do it, you are a bootlegger. And of course it is not valid to ask the members of the band for permission since they are not the owners of the record, undelss they paid for all the expenses. I see no difficulty to understand that... So, can you tell me King what titles you have released you got the rights from the owners. I love the smart way King makes a fool of himself. But well, if you show us the signed contracts by the actual owners of the records and youself, of every release you have done, then here, I will express my excuses to you and all the members of this forum. Deal King? After all, as you said, I dont know shit about this all and so, you have all chances to win. Otherwise I wont stop laveling like just a bootlegger and mention you double moral and you have to accep that you are a bootlegger.

MOST OF MY RELEASES ARE DONE ON A VERBAL AGREEMENT WITH BANDS. ONLY BLOODLUST, SLEEPY HOLLOW AND PREMONTION DID SIGNED CONTRACTS. DO YOU HAVE ANY FUCKING CLUE HOW HARD IT IS TO GET THE CONTRACTS YOU SPEAK OF MADE? IF EVERY NAME ON IT ISNT SIGNED AND DOTTED AND DATED IT'S WORTHLESS AND THAT'S ABOUT IMPOSSIBLE SOMETIMES! A VERBAL AGREEMENT IS LEGAL, I HAVE A LAWYER FOR THIS! AND IT'S WORKED GREAT MINUS JEFF MARKS OF WILD DOGS WHO BACKED OUT OF HIS AGREEMENT LATER AND LIED THAT HE EVER GAVE CONSENT!! BUT THAT'S OK MATT MCCOURT CALLED HIM OUT AS DID I.
YOUR STATEMENT ON CONTRACTS AND NOT VALID WITH BAND MEMEBERS I AM TOTALL AGAINST. ALOT OF BAND SNEVER SAW ONE CENT OF ROYALITIES FROM YOUR 'ANGEL-LIKE' RECORD LABELS, YET WHEN THEY WANT TO GET THIER MUSIC OUT ON CD AND PROMOTE IT NOWADAYS THEY ARE THE 'BAD GUYS'?! YIKES

Well I see you have answered your self about the boottleg nature of your cds. No proofs of legallity of your crap boot cds, at least in most of them.
I wonder how you cant get a contract signed by guys who you call your friends, while myself for Blower Recs have all my releases signed and not just that, but get extra stuff from the bands (who are paid as well). And I live thousands of Kms from Europe and none of them are my long time friends and do not live in my town!!! Man, this is not excuse!

that's fine! if you think you signed it all legally, then cool! i hope you are correct. there's so many loopholes!


Have you told your layer that you are dealing with guys who have no rights on those records (unless they paid for the production)?? Man, you need to change your layer. It is not me or you or your layer who decides who is the owner of right or not, it is not a matter of "I agree with this and I dont agree with that" IT IS THE LAW and COPYRIGHT STATMENTS, I see no difficulty to read and understand the law. Dont try to sell me this crap of you giving the bands loyalties for their albums because they never were paid for those records. You, King the avenger!

And no King, not in a million years I will ever go to a show of any of you both bands, simply because I dont like them. Both tell me nothing actually,

OK FINE! MEET ME AND TALK! SINCE YOU SPEND SO MUCH TIME ON JUDGING ME! MAN TO MAN TALK HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH EXCEPT WHAT WE ARE TALKING OF.

see response below

Just remeber King that this post deals with your boots, not others boots. Dont distract attention please. But if theres around anyone of Decapited, Racer, Vegas, etc then we can start a discussiona bout thier boots.

NO ATTENTION DISTRACTED! I SET EXAMPLES

Examples you talk too much about. And examples of how your bootlegs look worse than other bootlegs


again i only have a coupel unofficial cds. all else is with band permiossion. if you want contracts on it all then you see it your way. i'm not going that route!
i'm out to help the bands that played the music i love!

And to be a family guy with few time, you took much to answer these post in these two days

YEAH BECAUSE MY WEEKEND WAS OVER! NOW HERE I AM AGAIN TO FINISH ANSWRING YOUR ACCUSSATIONS/QUESTIONS ETC.
THANKS AGAIN TO TOM FOR POINTING ME TO THIS.

...and didnt this guy Tom told you about the post I wrote months ago? you can read it scrolling up this post.

he mentioned something to me, but as i told you alot of time i'm busy.
i got alot on my plate. but you didnt want to know about me, my family, work! just whatever was convenient for you.

I WAIT TO MEET AND TALK WITH YOU FACE TO FACE!

thanks

As I told you, I wont go to the show and wont see you eaither, because this is an open discussion and all what must be discussed about this all must be done in this forum, not privately.


yeah figures! its more a hate barrage on you to me! i will wait to talk with you in person from here on out as you decide to continously talk/type down to me and i've been respectful to you. i've answered al lyour questions, and i see this going nowhere betwen you and me on here. so i will continue to talk of all of this here, just not with you. you're set in your way and so be it! we see it all TOTALLY different. good luck to you and your label! king fowley

ps
oh you're the guy who put out insecticide (they offered it to me but it wasnt enough material for me), great friends of mine sherman and gimmie i've known since 88. next time you talk with em type 'with your teeth' in the message somewhere, it'll freak 'em out

I will say Gimmi and Sherman hi for you,

thank you

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[kingfowley]

no, i'm not searching anything....i was deceived a couple of times and bought your "releases" because i thought that by this way i was supporting the bands (Q5 and griffin, even if i had the original vinyls) especially that with Q5 was a huge disappointment because it cost me 30 deutch marks and then i had to pay another 30 to get the official rerelease with the bonus and huge booklet etc etc(back then in the mailorder list it wasn't mentioned under the name of Q5 if it was old metal or high vaultage release)....too bad that my hard earned money went to wrong hands.... but at least i'm not a hypocrite.....unfortunately i don't belong to the category who says that king's releases are different than the ones made by the greeks/germans etc....for me is one and the same.....

YOU BOUGHT THE EARLY STUFF
AND Q5 IS TERRIBLE RELEASE, THAT WAS PULLED BY ME.
Q5 NEVER GAVE PERMISSION AND IT WAS AN EARLY 'FUCK IT LET'S DO IT'
STANCE BY MY PARTNER.
WHAT MAIL ORDER SOLD IT THAT HIGH? ALL MY CDS ARE $10

GRIFFIN IS GOOD SOUND BUT MINIMAL BOOKLET
WE PRESSED IT AND THEN BAND GOT IN TOUCH AND WE WORKED IT ALL OUT.
TOM AND BAND IS FINE WITH IT THEN! LEARNE DSOEM COOL GRIFFIN STUFF TOO BY OUR FRIENDSHIP!

WHAT'S YOUR PAYPAL
I WILL PAYPAL YOU $30 RIGHT NOW!
I AM NOT PROUD OF EARLIER OLD METAL STUFF MUCH EITHER.
BUT IT HAS GOTTEN WAY BETTER IN LAST FEW YEARS.
THE STATEMENT 'RUSHED/OVEREXCITED TO RELEASE EARLIER
BY MAUSOLEUM IS EXACTLY CORRECT.


PM ME PLEASE, I WANT YOU TO HAVE YOUR $30 BACK

THANKS

my paypal is:

fuck.off.bootlegs.and.those.who.buy.them@bootoseum.com.

geesh, this is like jr. high school here!
ok, well i offered!

[nightsblood]

@ hload. You're offered an apology and your money back.... what do you want, his firstborn son? Geez

Well it would be immportant (and almost religious) for you if you were the copyright owner of an album that was already bootleged

Your statement assumes that the copyright owner is planning to reissue the album AND that the bootleg is of sufficiently high quality that people are content to own the bootleg and thus do not purchase the legit reissue when it comes out. I have to wonder what percentage of records really fit those assumptions?

Tons of albums will NEVER be reissued by the copyright holder, so bootlegs don't cost the copyright owner any money- they aren't gonna get any money if they do not reissue the album or sell the rights.

Among those that are reissued, only some are bootlegged prior to the reissue.

Among those that are bootlegged prior to reissue, many of the boots are goona be of low quality, either musically and/or packaging-wise, and thus a lot of people who buy the boot will also buy the legit reissue.

And even then, for that small amount of albums that have really nice bootlegs made prior to a legit reissue, there will STILL be a portion of the bootleg-buying customers who will still buy the legit reissue for whatever reason (to be supportive of the band, to get any extra materials on the legit release, to complete their collection, etc etc etc).

I haven't even raised the issue of whether the legit reissue is 'nice' or is a cheaply done piece of crap. Tons of legit albums have iffy sound and minimal packaging that will turn off potential buyers.

[hload]

@ hload. You're offered an apology and your money back.... what do you want, his firstborn son? Geez

Well it would be immportant (and almost religious) for you if you were the copyright owner of an album that was already bootleged

Your statement assumes that the copyright owner is planning to reissue the album AND that the bootleg is of sufficiently high quality that people are content to own the bootleg and thus do not purchase the legit reissue when it comes out. I have to wonder what percentage of records really fit those assumptions?

Tons of albums will NEVER be reissued by the copyright holder, so bootlegs don't cost the copyright owner any money- they aren't gonna get any money if they do not reissue the album or sell the rights.

Among those that are reissued, only some are bootlegged prior to the reissue.

Among those that are bootlegged prior to reissue, many of the boots are goona be of low quality, either musically and/or packaging-wise, and thus a lot of people who buy the boot will also buy the legit reissue.

And even then, for that small amount of albums that have really nice bootlegs made prior to a legit reissue, there will STILL be a portion of the bootleg-buying customers who will still buy the legit reissue for whatever reason (to be supportive of the band, to get any extra materials on the legit release, to complete their collection, etc etc etc).

I haven't even raised the issue of whether the legit reissue is 'nice' or is a cheaply done piece of crap. Tons of legit albums have iffy sound and minimal packaging that will turn off potential buyers.

this is of course my last reply to this miserable topic..... speek for yourself the other time nightsblood....honesty and integrity can't be measured by some stolen money.....

[Korgüll]

Are hload & metalmaster sleeping with each other???

[nightsblood]

Well, I suspect hload is just mad b/c King has now completely defused his ability to complain. Instead of fighting with him, King agreed w/ hload that the boot was crappy, offered apologies, and tried to pay him back... kind of hard to continue ranting and portraying King as some evil rip-off artist when King's bending over backwards to agree w/ him and make things right

I've bought many cd's and LPs from King over the years. If I ask him "is this a boot?" he's always given me a straight, correct answer.

A quick addendum to my earlier post: I want to clarify that I'm not trying to argue that bootlegging is technically legal (it's not) or morally justifiable (gray area). At the same time, I think the anti-bootlegging crowd is often overzealous. To hear/read some people's complaints, they carry on as though bootlegs were the root of all evil in this world.

Some quick numbers (working on the fly here):
IF a person puts out a legit repress that is of good enough quality that people will buy it, and if that item was bootlegged prior to the legit reissue, then the financial losses due to the bootleg are:

# of people that buy the boot AND who will thus not buy the legit reissue
multiplied by
$ you receive as profit per copy of the legit repress sold

Example: a boot press of 300 is made and sold. You later do a legit reissue. Of those 300 people that bought the boot (assumes all 300 copies were sold), let's say half don't buy the reissue (the number will depend on several factors, such as boot quality, legit reissue quality/extras, etc). Assuming you make $4 profit per copy of the legit reissue (again, the amount is variable), then the bootleg cost you 150 customers x $4 = $600. Note that this figure also assumes that you cannot sell your last 150 copies to other customers who did not purchase the boot; if you sell the remaining 150 copies, then the boot press deprived you of $0. Given the number of folks that will not buy boots, odds are that there will still be plenty of folks willing to buy those last 150 copies.
If anyone sees any flaws in my example, please point them out. As I already said, I'm working this out as I type and thus may not have taken some important things into account.

Bootlegs are technically illegal, but I'm not convinced that they are the source of all financial woes and other problems

[snaps666]

It's funny to see people go grazy about CD bootlegs like this, and no-one seems to have a problem with downloaded MP3s.

Illegal download is the REAL problem in the music industry, not some guy making 300 CD boots.

[DaN]

Are hlaod & metalmaster sleeping with each other???

As funny as that may sound, I think this debated is heated enough without the ad hominems.


To try a different angle:

Is it OK to re-release/bootleg material without permission from a record label known to have ripped off its own bands back in the day? Who commits the worst crime? Personally I have little love to spare for the record industry as a whole so my answer is a definitive: sort of, I guess...