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Posted: **Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:09 pm**

pan_Heathen wrote:PYRACANDA -Two sides of a coin - CD ?

5 euros?

Posted: **Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:11 pm**

Then I'll give you 10€ for your copy - because I like you. Deal?

edit: did some "research" myself.

http://cgi.ebay.pl/CD-Pyracanda-Two-sid ... 0382338223
http://cgi.ebay.ch/Pyracanda-Two-Sides- ... 0410394036

Posted: **Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:52 pm**

I wonder what the CD version of "At The Foot Of Brutality" might be worth. It has been released on Avanzada Metalica and contains some tracks which are not on the LP.

Posted: **Sun Jun 13, 2010 11:08 pm**

pan_Heathen wrote:PYRACANDA -Two sides of a coin - CD ?

It's 20-25 Euros in several lists every now & then.

Posted: **Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:33 am**

What does Tokyo blade- Night of the blade roadrunner slimline cd go for?

Posted: **Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:12 am**

slayerhatesusall wrote:What does Tokyo blade- Night of the blade roadrunner slimline cd go for?

I paid $40 for mine not too long ago.

Posted: **Mon Jun 14, 2010 7:17 am**

Avenger wrote:
stormspell wrote:So Ray doesnt know and cannot contact the person who knows coz he is dead already I'd make an educated guess this was pressed in at least 1000 copies and because it didnt sell good as many of the so called "cult private" releases didnt, it got showed off and forgotten in someone's garage or storage unit, or whatever.

Anyway, just to make it clear, there is no such thing as "short run" deal when replicating cds. The biggest part of the price is associated with the glass stamper, so most factories will start from 1000. You can find places which will press 500, or even less nowadays, BUT the price you will pay would be the same or very close to what you'd pay for 1000. Like for instance if making 1000 cds would cost you $630, making 500 would cost $600 or thereabouts. You can probably find a place to make less than 500, but the unit cost would be so higher the total will be again close to $600. That's how it goes.

Same goes with the offset inserts. So all in all it goes down to the fact that for about the same money you'd pay for 250 cds, you can have 1000 cds. Now tell me who in their right state of mind would do that, especially given this was a brand new band at the time eager to sell as much cds as possible and break through...

Being a label boss, you obviously have more insight on this then most of us do, however, I can't help but think that you are only taking into consideration how modern pressing plants work. Is it not possible that back in the 80's and early 90's that things worked differently as it was quite a bit more expensive to press a CD and that to have a smaller quantity pressed financially made more sense to a band that self-released they're material?

I'm not saying that the "250 unit" number is 100% accurate, but I'm sure that a lot of small local bands (especially back then) couldn't justify pressing 1000 CD's for the only album they put out.

stormspell wrote:"quantity-quality silver pressed collection"
What the hell is that even supposed to mean?

I was wondering about the same thing too, are pressing plants and costs the same now as they were back in 10 or 18 years ago?

Quntantity-quality

It means silver pressed CDs with good music on it - a lot of them

Posted: **Tue Jun 15, 2010 4:08 am**

sovdat wrote:
Avenger wrote:
stormspell wrote:So Ray doesnt know and cannot contact the person who knows coz he is dead already I'd make an educated guess this was pressed in at least 1000 copies and because it didnt sell good as many of the so called "cult private" releases didnt, it got showed off and forgotten in someone's garage or storage unit, or whatever.

Anyway, just to make it clear, there is no such thing as "short run" deal when replicating cds. The biggest part of the price is associated with the glass stamper, so most factories will start from 1000. You can find places which will press 500, or even less nowadays, BUT the price you will pay would be the same or very close to what you'd pay for 1000. Like for instance if making 1000 cds would cost you $630, making 500 would cost $600 or thereabouts. You can probably find a place to make less than 500, but the unit cost would be so higher the total will be again close to $600. That's how it goes.

Same goes with the offset inserts. So all in all it goes down to the fact that for about the same money you'd pay for 250 cds, you can have 1000 cds. Now tell me who in their right state of mind would do that, especially given this was a brand new band at the time eager to sell as much cds as possible and break through...

Being a label boss, you obviously have more insight on this then most of us do, however, I can't help but think that you are only taking into consideration how modern pressing plants work. Is it not possible that back in the 80's and early 90's that things worked differently as it was quite a bit more expensive to press a CD and that to have a smaller quantity pressed financially made more sense to a band that self-released they're material?

I'm not saying that the "250 unit" number is 100% accurate, but I'm sure that a lot of small local bands (especially back then) couldn't justify pressing 1000 CD's for the only album they put out.

stormspell wrote:"quantity-quality silver pressed collection"
What the hell is that even supposed to mean?
I was wondering about the same thing too, are pressing plants and costs the same now as they were back in 10 or 18 years ago?

Quntantity-quality It means silver pressed CDs with good music on it - a lot of them

Nope, if anything, it was the opposite. Nowadays you can find digital offset pressing plants which would agree to go below 1000 units on inserts, or do color laser prints (as short-run pro-printed CDRs are done), but in the past it was all plate-to-paper offset machines and no one would even bother making plates for you if you want to print 250 booklets.

Or even if you find a place that will do, they would not give you any price break and you will still pay as much as for 1000 copies.

Trust me, if I had a way of making 500 cds (with decent booklets) for half the price of what 1000 cost, a LOT of my releases would have been limited to 500 or even less!

Posted: **Tue Jun 15, 2010 5:36 pm**

Nebuchadnezzar wrote:
pan_Heathen wrote:PYRACANDA -Two sides of a coin - CD ?
It's 20-25 Euros in several lists every now & then.

10 years ago? arew you really sure? really?

Posted: **Tue Jun 15, 2010 5:42 pm**

necrovomit74 wrote:
Nebuchadnezzar wrote:
pan_Heathen wrote:PYRACANDA -Two sides of a coin - CD ?
It's 20-25 Euros in several lists every now & then.
10 years ago? arew you really sure? really?

First of all you should talk better as you don't know me. In any case my post is MORE accurate (as I have seen the cd in those prices) than your ironic "5 Euros" post.

Posted: **Tue Jun 15, 2010 5:48 pm**

Nebuchadnezzar wrote:ironic "5 Euros" post.

I think it's Mr Lambert from this sketch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGEeLtqtNvU

Posted: **Tue Jun 15, 2010 5:50 pm**

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:23 am**

pan_Heathen wrote:
Nebuchadnezzar wrote:ironic "5 Euros" post.
I think it's Mr Lambert from this sketch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGEeLtqtNvU

And who cares unless you live with your parents but single with your hamster, paying credit next 30 years like a slave? A one that don't realize that there was DM 10 years ago? Master of discussion boards with restricted budget (???), 25 yo buying basic CDs and considering himself a thrash maniac?

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:38 am**

I dont really know what that was supposed to mean... is it rare? how often does it pop up on eBay?

Posted: **Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:59 am**

I think that the link you provided reflects nowadays ebay reality, although I would expect that it'll end a little lower on German ebay.

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