Early Black Metal - what were the bands?

Nathaniel · Post by **Nathaniel** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:19 pm

What bores me to death is how arrogant and dead serious the extreme metal scene has become.

You can't deny that these norwegian guys from the early 90's had convictions in what they did, but quickly it took over the music itself.

I think that first and foremost these guys had fun by playing some sort of non conformist violent music.. Just listen to some MAYHEM demos where they sing like some Gremlins, or just look at this famous rehearsal of OLD FUNERAL were they act like silly adolescent having drunk their first beer.

How can someone take the first IMMORTAL video clip serious???

And nowadays it has become a circus of shitbag elitists, racist, who look at you as if you had to be burnt in an oven because you dared to smile or to headbang at a metal concert.

Most of the black metal bands of today are useless. There's no danger in their sound, there's just selfishness, ignorance, scorn... These people should stay at home and watch their anus in amirror all day long, and not nother to go to metal pubs, metal gigs or festival. I thought they were too misathropic to even talk to other people, even people with same ideas or ideologies than theirs.

It kinda went too far.

Piotr Sargnagel · Post by **Piotr Sargnagel** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:35 pm

You obviously have met total dicks in the Black Metal scene. Not all people into Black Metal are as you describe. Most of the negative attributes you list sound to me like those of people who are very very very insecure.

MetalizeR · Post by **MetalizeR** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:41 pm

Lama · Post by **Lama** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:59 pm

Nathaniel has a point.

What really strikes me is that a large part of the 'extreme' metalscene (black, death, whatever...) has taken over the behaviour and attitude of a bunch of 17-18 year old Norwegian and Swedish KIDS. Yes, kids, because that's what bands like Emperor, Burzum, Immortal... consisted of in the early nineties. And they were totally inspired by a guy named Euronymous who was merely a few years older...

Do you guys remember yourselves when you were that old (well, young...)? I know I was a total ass

Luckily most of them had some musical talent!

MEXDefenderOfSteel · Post by **MEXDefenderOfSteel** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 9:24 pm

Lama wrote:Nathaniel has a point.

What really strikes me is that a large part of the 'extreme' metalscene (black, death, whatever...) has taken over the behaviour and attitude of a bunch of 17-18 year old Norwegian and Swedish KIDS. Yes, kids, because that's what bands like Emperor, Burzum, Immortal... consisted of in the early nineties. And they were totally inspired by a guy named Euronymous who was merely a few years older...

Do you guys remember yourselves when you were that old (well, young...)? I know I was a total ass

Luckily most of them had some musical talent!

finally! some person that agrees with i have always said....they were kids playing in a very "serious" way how to be evil...like seriously who has an articulated and well based ideology at such naive age

humus · Post by **humus** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 9:57 pm

Nathaniel wrote:What bores me to death is how arrogant and dead serious the extreme metal scene has become.

Is that why you invited me to tell a joke in the middle of the set of your band

Nathaniel · Post by **Nathaniel** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:43 pm

@ humus: HAHAHA! Yeah maybe!!!!

@ Sargnagel: I don' t speak about all black metal fans on Earth, but I speak about what I see and hear on a WAY TOO REGULAR basis these days, sadly.

I guess there's a difference between a 17 years old punk in 1977 wearing a swastika on his shirt to piss off people, and a 17 years old black metal fan of 2010 really convinced that being conservative is cool, it's no longer a matter of shocking, it's become a matter of really believing in the sickest ideologies ever.

Lama got it right on this one. When you're an adolescent you look for yourself, for your identity and it seems that today's metal youth accepts way too much a polished rebellion, a manufactured anger. It really reflects what our society has become: consumerism at its peak, with brainwashed masses.

Thinking you're part of a special cricle, of an elite at 17 years old might sound pretty usual and normal for this age, but when you see 30 and more years old guys still taking this shit so damn seriously, it is almost firghtening.

First Rock, then Metal always had that sulfurous and youthful image. and indeed that's precisely what makes the charm of the music we love, this quite juvenile aspect, this sometimes cheap provocation.

But nowadays I see and hear more doctrine and narrow mindedness than freshness and rebellion against any for of establishment.

Look at DARKTHRONE, they were some of the pioneers of this norwegian black metal movement, and what are they doing nowadays? Exactly what they did back then... They say fuck off to the mainstream, to the establishment, they do whatever the fuck they want to do. They don't wait for some musical style to be known by your grand mother, they go AGAINST THE GRAIN.

That's why all this radical, racist, fascist, ultra conservative side in modern black metal makes me laugh... Indeed the forerunners, the pioneers of this genre dared to play something new, dare to thread beyond the limits of what was heard in their time.

Some death and black metal bands of today still try to come up with something fresh, new and unheard, but sadly they are too few in my book. A matter of spirit.state of mind has strongly changed bewteen the early 90's and the 2000's...

FuneralCircle · Post by **FuneralCircle** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:02 pm

I said it before and I'll say it again, the reason why fascism and totalitarian imagery is popular in Black Metal is because Satan isn't scary anymore. Even if a Black Metal guy isn't NS, he won't bat an eyelash at racism because he knows that it's these Nazis that do all the "scary weightlifting" for the Black Metal genre, to make it seem "frightening". Pathetic...

Nathaniel · Post by **Nathaniel** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:04 pm

Indeed.

daniel · Post by **daniel** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:23 pm

Some black metal guys, like Euronymous and Fenriz are/were huge fans of techno too. Ho hum.

Nathaniel · Post by **Nathaniel** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:30 pm

Why not? I find that being ecclectic is a very good thing. And these bands from Norway, although they were composed of very young metalheads, in the early 90's, no one can deny that they all were influenced by many different kinds of music.

Nothing comes ex nihilo.

daniel · Post by **daniel** » Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:08 am

I don't know, listening to techno is a no no for me.

FuneralCircle · Post by **FuneralCircle** » Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:15 am

daniel wrote:I don't know, listening to techno is a no no for me.

What, you're not into Orbital?!

Nathaniel · Post by **Nathaniel** » Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:18 am

I don't enjoy electronic music, including techno on a personnal level, but I appreciate to understand the why and how some people are really into it.

After all, real underground techno is just like real underground metal in the sense where it is a community of dedicated people to a certain kind of music only a handful of initiated persons might enjoy. Indeed style wise there are huge differences, but trying to interest oneself to other circles and music styles might be inspiring in a positive or a negative way.

daniel · Post by **daniel** » Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:29 am

Well, I can enjoy some ambient sometimes - but more in the 70's style, like Tangerine Dream, so I'm not against electronic music. Seriously, when I hear those euro-techno songs from the 90's again, I like that more than having to listen to modern shit metal hahaha.

When it comes to underground scenes, of anything, the same traits are present, even if we were talking about the Klan hah, so I can't see any inherent value in social similarities to be honest.