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malegys wrote:

sagrotan wrote:

The Knell wrote:
Cant seem to find it - I also thought the Iron Cross was meant with the Swastika. Can you post a photo?

didn't find pictures neither, was referring to what i.e. wikipedia says:

Originally the Snaggletooth design included a swastika on one of the helmet's spikes. This was painted out on later re-releases of the albums on CD.

.. but now am confused again. the difference between a swastika and an Iron Cross should be clear - but maybe that means the Iron Crosses have been retouched? somebody needs to brighten that up. GJ, go visit your brother

My vinyl copy of Iron Fist has the skull on the backcover with a Swastika scratched into it.

FuneralCircle wrote:Fuck them, it's not an issue of being politically correct or not - That is a cheap cop out and you're a complete bitch and sucker if you think the rejection of NS ideology is simple out of the desire of being politically correct. That's not the point. It's more of the issue that they expect the 1930s to happen again, and it just won't fuckin' happen. What I love about Metal is that it's an international movement, there is no real nationalism or anything... When you go to another country, no matter what cultural customs you're used to, you will recognize a fellow metalhead when you see him.

The rise of NS and nationalistic ideology in metal jeopardizes this. It only makes Metal seem more exclusively white, and I'm not sure about any of you but I really don't want that. Imagine a band like BLACK DEATH playing live these days... Even in a city like Vancouver in a country like Canada they would be laughed at, because people tolerate the racists and the bigots too much in metal. It's mainly the fault of black metal of course, because since Satan is not scary anymore they will use the NS ideology to do all the scary weight lifting for them... Little do they know it will cheapen the music they love, making it seem as it's exclusive to you only if you're "Aryan".

Why did this happen, and when? Well, there has always been that desire to push the envelope in metal in terms of attitude and offensiveness, and this is what we have gotten to. Little do these Nazi scum know is that Metal is not about offending people, it's about WRITING GOOD FUCKING MUSIC. That's why they often call metalheads "white niggers" and sing the praises of fucking "visionaries" (whatever the fuck that means) of people like Varg Vikernes of Burzum or that moron in Graveland.

I will admit, this is the most embarrassing and humiliating aspect of metal as a whole. Fuck Nazis, they should have been bombed further into the fucking Earth so they wouldn't poison something as great as metal.

I must say though, that I am totally for freedom of speech (not in a fucking retarded libertarian sense), and I do listen to bands that use Nazi imagery (but mostly from Japan) like Mein Kampf, Rommel and Heavy Metal Army - Not to mention bands like HOLOCAUSTO - Who used it moreso for shock value than anything else.

However, when I see Metal as a breeding ground for bogus racist science, stupid eugenics nonsense, and other such poisonous pseudo-science and nonsense, I will gladly debate it because it's just false, not only morally, but all evidence points to it being fucking nonsense.

I for one am sick of having to turn a blind eye to Nazis and racists. They will say what they think, and I will challenge them at every turn and every opportunity. That is always when they begin to throw red herrings every ad absurdum and claim to be victimized by the "PC" majority for their views that are unpopular because of those "damn Jews".

Anyone who speaks in defense of these Nazi fuckheads is just a pussy. Grow some balls.