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Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 4:42 pm
by Glockose
nightsblood wrote:Awesome post Glock-! I think your example really illustrates something that many folks forget- there is a BIG financial investment by dealers/small labels and it takes alot of time just to break even on most releases. Too many people think the only cost to the dealer/label is the pressing cost of ca. $1-2 per disc, and so selling them at $8 each is putting $6 back in your pocket. Obviously that's not the case.
I am glad some of you can realize that!
I beleave there is another OLD thread about the cost of putting out vinyl legit and it clearly shows that at least OPM & Doomed Planet were just getting by.
Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 4:50 pm
by hload
thanx for the post, mr. john. so madd hatter was the vinyl that you've given credit. i read that in an interview you did back then.
yeah, i don't believe also that you've made a profit from OPM, although you should have. by the way, are there any another releases that you have programmed to press and never happened? if yes, can you tell us the reasons
sure, if you have some free time, i'd like to hear more stories from you. i know that they are always true..
Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 5:14 pm
by Glockose
hload wrote:
yeah, i don't believe also that you've made a profit from OPM, although you should have. by the way, are there any another releases that you have programmed to press and never happened? if yes, can you tell us the reasons
sure, if you have some free time, i'd like to hear more stories from you. i know that they are always true..
Well we paid the bands more then anyone else at the time and in the USA it is not cheap doing THICK covers or vinyl for that matter.
Yes there are a few bands we would have liked to put out but things just never worked out and a lot of bands that said they had stuff that we still have never seen
Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 5:24 pm
by Glockose
Since you make it sound like you heard the MH story before I will tell another (a band I think you had contact with so you might be able to confirm Hload)
Thatcher -
In 1993 I contacted them and get 10 copies for 10 each when they arrived they 8 were warped so bad they would not play. the band at this point would not return my calls so I was stuck with 2 records for 100
My fault at the time was I put the bad ones in the trash as today I could fix them but was not able to at the time.
I put these in my list for 75 each and they sold
The first copy I have before finding the band I sold in my list for 40
as time went on people started to ask for the record so a tried to get back with the band. this time they sent me 10 for 10 and only 2 were warped so i did much better again selling the 8 for 75 each.
a few years went by and the band contacted me to see if I wanted any more as they heard they were worth money now. I received 20 copies for 600(i think that was the price it might have been more , it was whatever they asked for) but again a few warped
Most of these hit the list @ 100 and sold fast
These days when one is on ebay it goes for 200-300 but all I have are the warped copies that from time to time I get flattened at 25 each
they had also told me of all this unreleased stuff they had and till this day I have never heard any of it. I like the ep a lot and if the other stuff sounded like that I would have loved to put it out, but it never happend
Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 5:34 pm
by Glockose
One of my first lists
Aragon 10
Desire - cry at the sky 25
Dwarr 30
Gauntlet 10
Hammer Witch 25
incubus - serpent temptation 10 (just saw this on Ebay for 100+)
ivory tiger 25
killen 20
Kratos 20
Medieval steel 35
Metal Merchant 10
Metalis 20
Nitefire 10
Raw Energy 15
schoolboys 35
slayer - dangerous appetite 35
steel moon 75
tantrum 10
tyrants reigh 20
uncontrollable 10
the uninvited 15
valhalla 30
wyzard - knights of metal 40
Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:24 pm
by nightsblood
Do many dealers even send out lists any more? I remember visiting John Allinson years ago at his store and his home and talking about stuff like this while I browsed around in his sale bins. It cost him several hundred bucks every time he created a new list (copying and postage). Even without the oldschool copying-mailing costs, sellers nowadays have ebay and paypal fees instead.
BTW, does anyone know if John is still around? Apparently he sold off at least part of his collection some time between 1999 and 2003, and another collector who bought some of his items told me that he THOUGHT John had since passed away. I used to live about an hour from him, but after I moved in late '99 I lost touch with him. His is the only record store i've ever been in that played TROUBLE and TRIARCHY on the store stereo system
Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:34 pm
by tomas
@ glockose:
I'd like to buy Killen, Dwarr, Raw Energy and Medieval Steel.
That'll be 105 dollars. How much do you charge for shipping?
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 8:12 pm
by The Erlking
Have anyone bought records from here?
http://www.hbfr.de/
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:14 pm
by Shadow Kingdom
He's a nice honest guy from the dealings I've had with him.
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:39 am
by Piotr Sargnagel
yes he is, very fast and reliable.
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 5:58 am
by The Erlking
Ok, thanks for the info!