Old bands 'keepin up w/ the times' (?)

Nicko McBuff · Post by **Nicko McBuff** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:49 am

Battle Bratt. http://www.myspace.com/wwwbattlebrattcom Nu- modern tripe. I checked them out after I ordered a CD by them a couple of years ago and found this. Then again I wasn't a fan of it either... the self titled (I made a mistake and ordered that instead of the Anthology reissue)

Avenger · Post by **Avenger** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:33 am

stormspell wrote:I dont think any of them anticipated how big that album would become - right time and the right place phenomenon for sure.

That's bullshit.

The band sold out big time purposely writing songs that were all potential "singles".

Also, didn't the band spend something like over 3 years and 7 million dollars on the making of that album?

You don't put that kind of time and money into something and go "fuck it, let's wing it".

That album was pieced together on every aspect to be a commercial success.

Stormspell · Post by **Stormspell** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:43 am

Nicko McBuff wrote:Battle Bratt. http://www.myspace.com/wwwbattlebrattcom Nu- modern tripe. I checked them out after I ordered a CD by them a couple of years ago and found this. Then again I wasn't a fan of it either... the self titled (I made a mistake and ordered that instead of the Anthology reissue)

Holy fucking shit! What a big steaming pile of poo, hahah!

Stormspell · Post by **Stormspell** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:01 am

Avenger wrote:[quote="stormspell']I dont think any of them anticipated how big that album would become - right time and the right place phenomenon for sure.

That's bullshit.

The band sold out big time purposely writing songs that were all potential "singles".

Also, didn't the band spend something like over 3 years and 7 million dollars on the making of that album?

You don't put that kind of time and money into something and go "fuck it, let's wing it".

That album was pieced together on every aspect to be a commercial success.[/quote][/quote]

Dude, haha! This album was planned to be released at the end of 1984. You can get old Metal Hammer issues and find promos for it. Then Alan lost his arm and the band shelved it.

Now be honest and tell me, can you imagine a COMMERCIAL band that was in their peak to shelve an album and go into hiatus for 3 years? And yes, they essentially had to "work" for 3 years on this album, but it was coz they waited for Alan to recover and to learn to use the special drumkit. There is a DVD for Hysteria on the "Classic album" VH1 series, you ought to find it and watch to see through what those dudes had to go to keep the band intact.

Pyromania was a platinum album already, can you imagine under what label pressure those guys were to drop Alan and keep going? They flipped a big bird to the industry, stuck together and waited for him. And yeah, at the end the album bill was 7 million with all the delays, special equipment, and having to rewrite and re-record everything to fit the new drum sound. None of them imagined they would be able to pay off the bill, least to score it in the stardom as it happened. I tend to trust em when they said that. People which can stick together always have my respect and DL are one of them for sure.

mordred · Post by **mordred** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:47 am

Bands may either just be products of their time and not products of their own vision, or their vision may not consist of a particular style of metal.

Take Venom and their late 90's classic line-up reformation for instance. The scope of Venom back in the day was probably only to be as loud and as badass as possible, not to play a particular kind of style. In their own eyes, Cast in Stone was probably as loud and as mean as Venom ever was and thus very much aligned with their vision and a Venom album as proper as Black Metal or At War With Satan. Granted, to some of us it might just have sounded like a way too modern and Pantera influenced record, but that doesn't mean it was lacking in vision. Their vision just never said they couldn't sound like Pantera as long as it was loud enough.

As for products of their time ... well, if for good or for bad, some bands just don't have any vision beyond playing rock'n'roll and having a good time. That's a pretty loose concept and with it, the sound is likely to change as time changes, yet they are still playing rock'n'roll and having a good time. They probably never expected their sound to stay the same forever.

Then there's the case of reforming after a long time, maybe as much as 20 years. Think about it yourself; how much have you changed as persons in the last 10 or even 20 years? How much has your musical taste, not to mention your whole view on music, changed in that time span? Would you be able to pick up an old thread and try to be what you were 20 years ago, as if nothing happened? Would you want to? And, the key question, would it be honest?

Black Axe · Post by **Black Axe** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 10:04 am

mordred wrote:Would you be able to pick up an old thread and try to be what you were 20 years ago, as if nothing happened? Would you want to? And, the key question, would it be honest?

If I had been in a band 20 years ago and it was going to reform, it would stay the same. 'Cause we would reform for the fans. If we just wanted to play music as we would like it today, we would never reform under the same name as used 20 years ago.

GJ · Post by GJ » Tue Apr 07, 2009 10:08 am

Alan???

Stormspell · Post by **Stormspell** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 7:52 pm

GJ wrote:Alan???

Alright make that Allen, doh

Avenger · Post by **Avenger** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 4:05 am

stormspell wrote:Now be honest and tell me, can you imagine a COMMERCIAL band that was in their peak to shelve an album and go into hiatus for 3 years? And yes, they essentially had to "work" for 3 years on this album, but it was coz they waited for Alan to recover and to learn to use the special drumkit. There is a DVD for Hysteria on the "Classic album" VH1 series, you ought to find it and watch to see through what those dudes had to go to keep the band intact.

Pyromania was a platinum album already, can you imagine under what label pressure those guys were to drop Alan and keep going? They flipped a big bird to the industry, stuck together and waited for him. And yeah, at the end the album bill was 7 million with all the delays, special equipment, and having to rewrite and re-record everything to fit the new drum sound. None of them imagined they would be able to pay off the bill, least to score it in the stardom as it happened. I tend to trust em when they said that. People which can stick together always have my respect and DL are one of them for sure.

Pyromania was already commercial to begin with.

Def Leppard just took the next step and pushed it even further.

Alen with one arm or two, it stayed the same.

Black Axe wrote:
mordred wrote:Would you be able to pick up an old thread and try to be what you were 20 years ago, as if nothing happened? Would you want to? And, the key question, would it be honest?
If I had been in a band 20 years ago and it was going to reform, it would stay the same. 'Cause we would reform for the fans. If we just wanted to play music as we would like it today, we would never reform under the same name as used 20 years ago.

I'll vouch that.

The Erlking · Post by **The Erlking** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 5:57 am

Yeah I've always wondered why so many metalheads like Def Leppard.
On Through The Night was pretty ok, many good songs but it's still no Killers or Court In The Act. High 'N' Try is just a mediocre hard rock album, very boring compared to the debut. And rest of their catalogue is just utter radiofriendly shit that fits for same people who think Poison's Look What The Cat Dragged In and Warrant's Cherry Pie are metal masterpieces

Black Axe · Post by **Black Axe** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:01 am

I like High 'n' Dry better, probably due to the absolute horror of Hello America.