Believers and metalheads at the same time???

Mr Nuke · Post by **Mr Nuke** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 6:03 pm

DMR wrote:What makes them think it was God who gave Mercyful Fate their talent and not Satan?

Good point!

And the link that sovdat gave is full of awful comments? Hey, I'm not an outlaw (except for avoiding paying VAT and other taxes on records bought in foreign countries, that is

), but well, Metal is rebel music for me, and not for me only in fact, for most metalheads I've met. For some of these persons it's righteous music. That's something difficult to tolerate.

Well, that's like, I'm not racist for example, but I find anti-racist lyrics to be as stupid as the racist ones they want to fight... Same with christianity, like some of you said: being christian or a believer is one thing, going to church/temple/mosque/whatever and preaching are another ones.

Helm · Post by **Helm** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 6:27 pm

but I find anti-racist lyrics to be as stupid as the racist ones they want to fight...

Well there's something to be said about overcompensation, but surely an attempt for a positive social effect, however as hilarious or ineffective as it may be surely does not equate to agressive, socially destructive and historically proven dangerous stupidity.

Brainbiter · Post by **Brainbiter** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 4:17 pm

Christian fans? Why not? Heavy Metal is not about the Devil and Satan that deceiveth the whole world. It's more about the intelligent individual.
I believe it all comes down to how you pick the people you are going to spend time with. Faith? Not important, unless they can't stand a good ol' discussion on its validity.It all comes down to the individual.I personally prefer spending my time with intelligent people; atheists, christians, muslims, Bugs Bunny devotees, I don't care.
Oh, and self-proclaimed satanists? (or self-proclaimed whatever) = so fucking boooooring!

historically proven dangerous stupidity

Quoted for truth.

UriahHeep · Post by **UriahHeep** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:01 am

Stryper annihilates.

FenderMedium · Post by **FenderMedium** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:03 am

Helm wrote:
but I find anti-racist lyrics to be as stupid as the racist ones they want to fight...
Well there's something to be said about overcompensation, but surely an attempt for a positive social effect, however as hilarious or ineffective as it may be surely does not equate to agressive, socially destructive and historically proven dangerous stupidity.

Anti Racism has gone so far as to hamper education and science in the name of political correctness.

Anti Racism has proven to cause even more problems by telling everyone they have to tolerate others they do not wish to tolerate.

Racism is worse than ever people just know how to conceal it better so they don't get some social stigma from the lefty fucks who have basically made it a crime to be a white man in the united states.

aaaaag · Post by **aaaaag** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:02 am

This is only vaguely related to the topic, but anyway.

I don't know what the situation is like in the US or Europe. I have a feeling it's pretty much the same as here (India) - most people belong to some religion or another. But what does this mean? 99% of the time it means that they'll abide by the traditions, ceremonies etc in matters of birth, death, marriage, etc. They may even pray or whatever on a daily basis. But I look at people around me and it seems clear to me that really, no one gives a shit about "god". People go about their lives, their jobs, eating, sleeping etc.; how much do they think about "god"? Really, to it seems that unless you've locked yourself up in a monastery or something and think only about god, you're relly not religious at all. Most people live most of their lives on a practical basis. Most - maybe even all - people are really agnostic in practice.

This view be all bullshit, but anyway, any thoughts?

Helm · Post by **Helm** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:30 pm

FenderMedium wrote:Anti Racism has proven to cause even more problems by telling everyone they have to tolerate others they do not wish to tolerate.

boo hoo, man. Racism has resulted in many million people dead and you're telling me it's just as bad that people are inconvinienced because they have to extent courtesy to creeds and races they wouldn't have otherwise? My heart bleeds for the poor bigots who can't just go about descriminating freely.

Racism is worse than ever people just know how to conceal it better so they don't get some social stigma from the lefty fucks who have basically made it a crime to be a white man in the united states.

Oh wow, lefty fucks? You seem to have quite strong opinions concerning your right to hate, so I'll just drop this before it goes ugly. I am not glad to be in the midst of disgruntled racism apologists, but I guess it was foolish of me to hope to come to a Heavy Metal forum without running into at least a few.

wicked keeper · Post by **wicked keeper** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 3:06 pm

Clowns to the left of me ,jokers to the right.....

Mr Nuke · Post by **Mr Nuke** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 10:14 am

Well, I didn't want to open a debate on racism... Sorry!

About religion, people may not believe and don't go to church but the christian ideas still persists in them, kinda christianity without go.

However, being a christian is nothing wrong with me. Being a righteous idiot is (and this applies not exclusively to christians), especially if you pretend to play rock'n'roll. That is my point.

About my ideas about satanism or so, that wasn't my point, and I don't want nor to explain my position, nor to open a discussion on this subject.